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A Bit Crusher
Joined: 01/26/02
Location: Tilburg
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Anybody over here familiar with Soundcloud? Just opened an account, but I'm a bit too lazy to dig into the site....
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Sonic Wallpaper
Joined: 05/22/01
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 1266
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Yep - and a secret special tune over there that none of you know about - it is the song I recorded for Lou's birthday this year.
http://soundcloud.com/sonicwallpaper
Here is S.A. Fred's page: http://soundcloud.com/s-a-fred
Good service - a bit different than how we approach a music site here at AS - it seems they are more of a music solution for you to include on your own site and other sites - as opposed to it being a site for artist profiles, or browsing by genre. I find the default player with the waveform to be too huge - I'd rather the layout included 1 player and a tighter layout that could list more songs and info on a page. The concept of posting comments along the timeline of a song is interesting - but once you get a good amount of comments, the idea breaks and is difficult to view the comments - I usually click the option to turn them off. For example - check out this track w/ 150+ comments: http://soundcloud.com/cottonmouthedge/hackney-smackers .
The site ranks fairly high too (as in the top sites online ranked by traffic)
Alexa: 830
Compete: 1,537
Quantcast: 988
and they are healthy and growing:
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Second Thought
Joined: 05/05/02
Location: Oh God knows.
Posts: 188
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Yeah, it's probably the most popular site at the moment for simple sharing of songs - also great for uploading wavs as you can make tracks private and share with particular people. Has helped me out on a couple of internet collaborations.
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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A Bit Crusher
Joined: 01/26/02
Location: Tilburg
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All in all the site looks interesting...I like the idea of the comments posted on the waveform....that's why they're so big, I guess...I'll have a closer look later on...
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Focalized
Joined: 09/02/01
Posts: 34
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I've been looking around at www.idmforums.com and they like to use the site there to share songs and include tracks in signatures. Good stuff.
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A Bit Crusher
Joined: 01/26/02
Location: Tilburg
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...but only IDM (?)
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Focalized
Joined: 09/02/01
Posts: 34
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No they talk about most all electronic music. Drum & Bass is pretty popular. It a great site for tech talk. Software and hardware. Lots of good info and knowledge.
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Synerdata.Net Radio
Joined: 04/01/04
Location: Canada
Posts: 102
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SoundCloud.com has come as something somewhat refreshingly new,
or at least, different. It has quickly become the latest fad-site for independent
artists, and provides many unique and convenient features, like it's drop box.
SoundCloud.com is well positioned to become the new "biggest" independent
music site, in the wake of the GarageBand.com community's destruction and
scattering by the anti-competition types with the big money guns.
I found that IDMforums is adverse to promoting artists in it's community,
and to services which do such.
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just john
Joined: 09/27/01
Location: Poughkeepsie
Posts: 110
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Soundcloud seems ideal for swapping loops and snippets. F'rinstance this is a set of bits for a SubGenius something I'm building and encouraging others to use, too.
My only current real gripe with Soundcloud is that it doesn't seem to let one re-order tracks as they appear on one's home page. Or can one, and I've just missed it?
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Focalized
Joined: 09/02/01
Posts: 34
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There's a free account and pay accounts. I'm sure the premium ones are full functioned. I know you can't update a file, you'd have to delete and add new again. I think the free account only allows up to 2 hours of music.
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Subtronik
Joined: 01/14/03
Posts: 1193
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The only thing I didn't like about SC was audio quality would be hit or miss after upload. It may have been a bug they've fixed now though.
I don't need another host though since I can hot link to my tracks here.
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Subtronik
Joined: 01/14/03
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Focalized wrote:I've been looking around at www.idmforums.com
Very good site but totally over saturated with lots of crap tracks that everyone and their grandmother wants reviewed without returning the favor.
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A Bit Crusher
Joined: 01/26/02
Location: Tilburg
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Subtronik wrote:Focalized wrote:I've been looking around at www.idmforums.com Very good site but totally over saturated with lots of crap tracks that everyone and their grandmother wants reviewed without returning the favor.
....like most music sites...... 
Or am I being a bit too negative now?
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Second Thought
Joined: 05/05/02
Location: Oh God knows.
Posts: 188
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No, sadly the days of music 'communities' - like this place used to be - have come and gone it seems. People seem too bothered about just spamming their tracks than actually taking part in a place.
It does genuinely make me sad when I think of how great this board used to be before the internet started changing.
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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Synerdata.Net Radio
Joined: 04/01/04
Location: Canada
Posts: 102
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RE: Soundcloud - Music Community Sites
Friday, November 5, 2010 at 3:45 PM
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Second Thought wrote:No, sadly the days of music 'communities' - like this place used to be - have come and gone it seems. People seem too bothered about just spamming their tracks than actually taking part in a place.
It does genuinely make me sad when I think of how great this board used to be before the internet started changing.
Indeed, the internet has changed.
The phenomena of independent music production communities is in a sorry state up now,
mostly because they have been strategically de-popularized and filtered out of the mass
media, while the larger communities have been quietly dismantled by the competition, and
high traffic channels on the internet have been aggregated, and bought up.
Independent artists have in many cases become largely disenchanted by the opportunity
the internet once held such great promise of, themselves buried in the great haystacks
of prolific competition from fellow independent artists, and for a large number of artists,
the joy of community and collaboration is a fond memory now, and been there, done that,
while the fast pace of new media production makes all new music just like more water
under the bridge, diluting it's self in a vast ocean of ever-flowing new media.
It can leave a long-time independent music industry observer almost depressed,
that the excitement of vibrant and active and bustling music communities has gone
the way of the high traffic sites which once inspired such passion in the artists...
But music would never become unimportant.
Music remains a critical component of modern culture and human evolution, and the
making of music remains an important, and highly underpaid service to all mankind,
and those who continue making it may do so just so that they, as artists, were part
of the sound of our times in true history, that they are performing their function, and
taking part in modern culture for what it is worth to an artist, to do so.
Things keep changing, and one of the hardest things in life is to recognize this, in
the constant search of maturity for consistency, and after mp3com was destroyed,
the music continued, and after music.download.com was destroyed, the music played
on, and after GarageBand.com was accomplished, the scattered original mp3com
community there continues to make music, however shattered those making war
on independent communities have left these. And the water just keeps flowing,
and flowing around every obstacle.
Perhaps we have rated community too highly, or perhaps we were spoiled to
get to really experience some really great community at this and other sites back
when all the artists were inspired in first coming on line, where the lack of such
inspiration in them finds so many having better things to do, up now.
Newcomers, and the youngest, would not notice any of these things, and can see
that there is a great community here, where most artists are not too social at the
site, but are present, and accounted for.
Well, I was thinking along similar lines as Second Thought, while harvesting new
releases for the latest show, as I listened to as much as I could of all new releases
to open my ears to hear the community, and I thought about how this is but a
bastion, an unshattered community, of a size and traffic level which just barely
flies under the radar of those wiping out independent artist community sites
and free music services, and I likewise remembered back to when Gideon first
proceeded, from mp3com, to build this site, and there was a first exodus to it,
and it would retain the original altruism of mp3com, and would improve upon it,
and I can not forget the fast pace, and the electricity in the air in those times,
before the competition declared war in San Diego on the phenomena of
independent artists gathering in communities bigger than the record cartels.
I realized how thankful I am that we still have this community, however laid-back,
however small compared to the former big ones, it has been made into one of the
big one's now, by those destroying the larger ones, and it is very important.
I am looking more at the comfort I get from that which has remained the same
here over the past decade of ElectronicScene.com and ArtistServer.com, that
nothing good has been lost here, and Gideon has not sold the site to a numbered
company owned by some big label, nor compromised on his fairness to artists as
a service provider, and this site still exists today, because of it.
Click below, to hear what I mean!
Gordon
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Subtronik
Joined: 01/14/03
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A Bit Crusher wrote:Subtronik wrote:Focalized wrote:I've been looking around at www.idmforums.com Very good site but totally over saturated with lots of crap tracks that everyone and their grandmother wants reviewed without returning the favor. ....like most music sites. Or am I being a bit too negative now?
Artistserver isn't like that. Were a small community, and I like that.
I review everyone's tracks that review mine.
Sure we get the occasional drive by self[ish] promoter, but it's not even 1/10th that other sites get.
Were at the end of the internet, but it was inevitable.
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Second Thought
Joined: 05/05/02
Location: Oh God knows.
Posts: 188
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The way music is distributed online has changed too - with the rise of 'netlabels' to deal with the lack of interest from real labels (and to cater for the ever-increasing number of artists making independent music), the need for sites such as this has gone down. Now one can come up with four tracks, call it an EP, and mail it off to 50 netlabels - chances are someone will like it. This has coupled with the wider availability of broadband internet - now everybody can download an album in the time it once took them to download a song, why bother with individual tracks?
Some netlabels do have a sense of community which places like this used to - a couple I've released music on have collaborating artists and remix contests, and there's a real sense of respect between the artists.
Others are more distant, but have a larger following. One of my recent EPs, Dungeness, has had 500 downloads in the fortnight since its release, and is one of the least downloaded records on the site.
Others exist as a way for friends to collaborate and release music. I have a little label, Jerky Oats, which I use to give my friends a way to improve their chances of being noticed, by offering a release or two. They don't always get lots of downloads, but if they promote themselves, having a 'release' can be very beneficial. It's also helped start a few collaborations between some of the artists.
Other netlabels are simply there so people can say "look, I have a netlabel!", and there's often less quality control than some of the better labels.
It's all about choosing which of these works best for you (and knowing how to spot them!).
Gordon is right about the amount of new media which is cropping up - there are thousands of these labels online, and a lot of them release a record or two every week. It's completely impossible to keep up, and thus music does become more disposable. It's quite a shame in that regard. With so much music around, it's easy to not give a record the chance it deserves. Equally, it's also great that people have more of a chance than ever to get their music online and heard in some way or another. So I'm in two minds about it all, really.
Whatever happens, I'm going to keep releasing music in physical and digital format, and I'm staying loyal to the communities who've really helped me in the past - without this place, I'd never have had any interest in my music and might have given up at one point.
Long live Artistserver.
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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A Bit Crusher
Joined: 01/26/02
Location: Tilburg
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Subtronik wrote:A Bit Crusher wrote:Subtronik wrote:Focalized wrote:I've been looking around at www.idmforums.com Very good site but totally over saturated with lots of crap tracks that everyone and their grandmother wants reviewed without returning the favor. ....like most music sites. Or am I being a bit too negative now? Artistserver isn't like that. Were a small community, and I like that. I review everyone's tracks that review mine. Sure we get the occasional drive by self[ish] promoter, but it's not even 1/10th that other sites get. Were at the end of the internet, but it was inevitable.
That's why I'm still on AS...and have left other sites....
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Focalized
Joined: 09/02/01
Posts: 34
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I've learned some good stuff reading through that forum. And found some stuff to listen to from people posting favorite artists and tracks.
I've listened to some decent stuff posted there. So many people like myself with very little chance to get a listen. I relate to that.
There's too much out there. Too much info.
It's like a classroom with 1000 kids and they all have their hands raised. Some have a good question or idea. Some just want to go to the bathroom.
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(((stereofect)))
Joined: 09/02/01
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posts: 1333
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Thought I'd try it out. You know... take it for a test drive so-to-speak.
Dead Men Can Advance No further
Just an experiment really. Korg Monotron samples mangled with Moog Filtatron.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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