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~ Absurdist Lover ~
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 6:19 AM
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Using-a-sequencer-doesn't-neccecarily-mean-having-perfect-timing, you-can-actually-correct-the-timing-as-much-as-or-as-little-as-you'd-like, create-variations-of-a-groove,grooves-that-evolve-precicely,or-whatever.
I-find-that-music-that's-squarely-quantized-on-all-parts-can-sound-stale, unless-you're-going-for-that-robotic-electro-sound.
Often-on-my-keyboard-parts-I-just-quantize-the-notes-that-were-badly-out-of-time. A-bit-of-error-after-all-is-good.
Oh,yes-my-spacebar-is-broken.
I will teach you the significance of insignificance
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 8:47 AM
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>>>I think doing the music this way certainly gives me more freedom and creativity say for instance youre in the middle of recording something and your enjoying playing it you know instinctively that a change in temp or something radical is needed at that point then i can just do it on the fly there and then.
Seeking freedom in the musical process is very important for me too. I'm looking to capture more than notes, which is quite difficult to encode into hand programmed/sequenced music. Although, I tend to feel my method has much more freedom by using live and sequencing together. I lay down some basic grooves to get inspired, then I start improvising bass, or guitar or keyboard lines for 5-10min, trying to create related passages and accents - yet not 'trying' to do anything in particular. Once I have that improvisation recorded, I play it back and drop markers around parts that seem to work, then I extract those and begin shaping the piece of music. Doing this multiple times with various parts results in a song I normally couldn't compose that is filled with real timing and expression. I use Acid 4 when working in software, and use an RM1x for hardware sequencing along w/ some synths, effects and sampler.
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 10:12 AM
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~ Absurdist Lover ~ wrote:Using-a-sequencer-doesn't-neccecarily-mean-having-perfect-timing, you-can-actually-correct-the-timing-as-much-as-or-as-little-as-you'd-like, create-variations-of-a-groove,grooves-that-evolve-precicely,or-whatever. I-find-that-music-that's-squarely-quantized-on-all-parts-can-sound-stale, unless-you're-going-for-that-robotic-electro-sound. Often-on-my-keyboard-parts-I-just-quantize-the-notes-that-were-badly-out-of-time. A-bit-of-error-after-all-is-good. Oh,yes-my-spacebar-is-broken. 
Haha, I thought you were being a smart ass with the dashes, like "I-am-a-sequencing-robot-look-at-how-full-of-life-I-am" 
You're talking about groove, swing and humanization here, which actually works well when implemented right. I'm talking about sequential discord, where the progression of his tracks sounds awkward due to the choppy flow. Listen for yourself and tell me it sounds fine.
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just john
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM
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Feh!
The only truly human music is produced by our mouths and occasionally by other parts of our bodies.
Everything else is puppetry.
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hellscion
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 10:53 AM
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you need to take this shit somewhere else
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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hellscion
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 11:24 AM
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“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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~ Absurdist Lover ~
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:15 PM
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Subs,I-was-actually-making-my-argument-for-the-Original-Poster-to-use-sequencing,by-stating that-sequencing-doesn't-have-to-involve-rigidity. One-is-free-to-record-freeform-playing-and-use-it-merely-as-a-multitrack-recorder-and-mixer. Moving-to-sequencing-can-only-give-you-more-control,not-take-it-away. And-we-all-agree-control-is-a-good-thing I-did-listen-to-most-of-swerve's-work-and-yes,the-timing-was-irksome-to-me-as-it-was-TOO-loose. But-then-I'm-a-precision-queen,especially-with-parts-that-drive-the-rhythm-of-the-song.
I will teach you the significance of insignificance
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:43 PM
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I hear what some of yer are saying, if im being picky the timing on closer is a little out near the end and caspian slasher is indeed all over the place but youve got to remember i knocked caspian up in about an hour, a one time pass. Considering that i think its pretty good. I dont know about you guys but i aint got time to make ultra professional music. I know plenty of musicians that do music like mine and upload it, "mistakes and all" to their sites. And i know plenty of perfectionists it takes all types to make music and if we all approached it the same way it would be boring, No!
Gideon has hit the nail on head though the ideal approach is to use both anolog and digital recording for the best of both worlds!
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:51 PM
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hellscion wrote:Damn that picture was took in my younger days. Hellscion I got your review all i can say is why have you took offence if you had read my posts properly you would realise that youve got the wrong end of the stick i love Electronica. Even though it pains me to say it your stuff is good also. Im having a go at people that dont make efforts with their music you clearly do. So please quit it with the nasty reviews!
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hellscion
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM
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“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 2:36 PM
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~ Absurdist Lover ~ wrote:Subs,I-was-actually-making-my-argument-for-the-Original-Poster-to-use-sequencing,by-stating that-sequencing-doesn't-have-to-involve-rigidity. One-is-free-to-record-freeform-playing-and-use-it-merely-as-a-multitrack-recorder-and-mixer. Moving-to-sequencing-can-only-give-you-more-control,not-take-it-away. And-we-all-agree-control-is-a-good-thing  I-did-listen-to-most-of-swerve's-work-and-yes,the-timing-was-irksome-to-me-as-it-was-TOO-loose. But-then-I'm-a-precision-queen,especially-with-parts-that-drive-the-rhythm-of-the-song. 
Ah, ok cool. You know how hard it can be to follow someone 100% on this crazy intreweb
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 11:23 PM
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hellscion wrote:Theres a bellend on the loose
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A Bit Crusher
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 7:24 AM
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It's the end result that counts......
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hellscion
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 10:46 AM
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bellend? thats just vulgar....
edit: but if you want to start throwing insults, have at ye snake 
wrinkled old ginger candle sucker!!
food trough wagon dictator!!
dipping lord slapper!!
slapping suck cockroach piper!!
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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reconsiderate
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM
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swerve tweeter wrote:Ive bit my tongue for too long. There are some (not all) artists out there who have the gaul to upload what i can only call automated shite to the internet. It bugs me when i spend hours coming up with a tune with melody and direction. Then for some idiot to upload a bunch of hap hazard samples with a beat over it and call it music. ARRRRGGGGHHHHH and then the fuckers get to number 1 with it. Or soundscapes theres just no effort in those at all, get youself a top end keyboard and hold down one chord for half an hour and stick some stock echoey samples over it and hey presto another hit. If this sounds like sour grapes IT IS. I think it's cool that this thread has gotten such a stir out of people, and almost all of it's been constructive. 
Just wanted to chime in and support the view that sampling & looping is a fundamentally different type of music from... I don't know, say a piano sonata. It's the difference between melody and rhythm. The two are actually very different, and, coming with very little formal education in music, I find this an interesting concept to ponder at times.
Anyway, the "music" of samplers & mixers is all in the arrangement. You have 17 layers to the song, and the first layer goes ON-ON-ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON-OFF-ON-ON-ON-OFF-OFF-OFF-ON-OFF, etc as you progress in the song through time. Something similar for layer 2, 3, 4 and so on. It's all about the juxtaposition of these many binary lines. That's the art of it.
Now, if you can get someone who does this and knows about melody, counter-melody and so on like that? Shit. You've got yourself a giant.
But most of us don't span many dimensions at once. 
Which actually brings us to a corollary: the internet and computer-based composition software have destroyed music, in the traditional sense. Nowadays, it's just everybody making his own music, and you basically just know some such musicians personally, and check out their music. In addition to the biggies.
Ech that came out wrong. 
My point being that we're living in a huge primordial soup of music from all genres, written by "composers" at all levels of skill (from beginner to experienced to formally educated to professional, etc). Of course 99.999% is garbage. That's kind of how life is too... most of the people you speak with every day you either have no use for, and never speak to again, or you speak to them strictly functionally. Only extremely rarely do you meet someone actually worth admiring. Like, once a decade if even.
Same thing with music. You're "meeting" new people, just not on the bus or in a bar or whatever. You're meeting them through their recordings.
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hellscion
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 12:08 PM
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well put con-man. btw everyone listen to this
http://www.ArtistServer.com/artist/song.cfm/a/14355/tid/13809
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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A Bit Crusher
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 1:12 PM
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Hellscion, you must be in a bad mood....
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 1:26 PM
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A Bit Crusher wrote:Hellscion, you must be in a bad mood.... 
I believe so, I just read a song review where he posted: "wow thats annoying."
yes, enough of the nasty reviews.
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hellscion
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Sunday, July 6, 2008 at 1:45 PM
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heh, nahhh im not in a bad mood but perhaps some of my reviews were a bit harsh. for the song you speak of though i regret nothing. it really is that bad.. just read the lyrics. btw.. warning explicit lyrics
[edit - the link is above]
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Kylo
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Monday, July 7, 2008 at 11:30 PM
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You know what, we've got ourselves some great philosphy happenin here. Most the time I try to look at people from a bird's eye... (I might get it wrong)
I believe the situation we have here, is one involving tastes. Sometimes in order to really 'jam out' to to a great track you have to take into respect bean burritos.

Let me continue... I mean take into respect say; the internal relationship a rebellious mind has compared to a conformist. Let's say "Bob and Tim".
They both like burritos, but Bob will eat it the way he likes it. Same goes for Tim. The beauty of the two is they're both heating it up- just one uses a stick over a burn barrel and the other uses a George Foreman rotisserie grill. Chewing the bean burrito can be (wow, what a terrible anology but it works) very enjoyable on either side- what matters is that they both get their taste and fulfill the desire to communicate their interests to the stomach of their minds.
Nobody's wrong or right in my mind, it's just observing whether the composer understands the joy of their hobby.
...and puts some bass in that shit.
"Energizer bunny arrested- charged with battery."
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