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A Bit Crusher
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 11:26 AM
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Sonic Wallpaper wrote:Oh no! You're doin' sprouts again!
I thought you gave up that habit... those things are going to melt your brain man.
Off to rehab!
OMG....what happened?
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louwhoz
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 11:32 AM
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You're all just a bunch of loser sprout-heads!
I'm telling you, the only way to live a truly decent, good-tune-filled life is by sticking to a liquid diet. Anything else is evil. Remember: If you chew, you poo. Its that simple.
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A Bit Crusher
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 11:42 AM
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Yeah...gonna squeeze some sprouts and make a longdrink.....
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 3:20 PM
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Subtronik wrote:Ah, Gideon... always the level head  Swerve Tweeter, I listened to all your tracks ( *except sleepwalker) and most remind me of 80's new wave, but with a weird horror, circus, waltz type attitude. Your audio quality is substandard, and what's up with your quantization? Everything sounds a little off tempo, or at the very least some odd time signatures happening. Not my style of music but you have some talent. If you're looking to chart top then I'd say do what others do, become a promotion whore. I spent two solid weeks promoting my new stuff to college radio and night clubs in other states, not to mention typical online activity. Good luck. *sleepwalker won't stream and it's downloadable file is 0:00. My gripe isnt me getting to the top of the charts, That will happen if its good enough. Its dull un inspiring lazy ahem! music that is so poor in content that it has to be labelled with a provocative title just to make you listen. Id love to name names here but i wont. The track that pushed me over the edge has a very strong title about a very serious issue. So obviously i felt compelled to listen only to be confronted by a lame substandard identikit piece that had little or nothing to do with the subject matter. Yet it was number one in the sub genre.
Thanks for not pulling your punches when it came to summing up my efforts. I appreciate that as ive said im under no illusions about my stuff. I do all my stuff straight to tracks all played live. I dont and wont touch sequencers for the most part because i believe it takes away the fun of making music, at least it does for me when i do occasionaly use them! Shame you cant get sleepwalker going thats the best one on the page at the moment. I think its cos its still a wma file. If your bothered you can hear it on acidplanet.
P.S. Sorry for Hi-jacking the sprout thread guys!
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 3:33 PM
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Ok, I'll check acidplanet.
edit: checked out sleepwalker. Much different then the other stuff you have here at AS, I like it. The sound quality is much better than your other work here too.
If you're not sequencing most of the time, yet you use pre recordings to play live while you play other stuff, isn't that similar to using a sequencer, meaning non live at some point?
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 4:44 PM
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>>> I think its cos its still a wma file.
Just an FYI - ArtistServer does not convert audio files for you. All music on the site must be in mp3 format otherwise it won't play for anyone since the site serves all music files as .mp3
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM
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Caveman 1: What's he doing over there?
Caveman 2: He seems to be beating on a hollow log with two sticks.
Caveman 1: And he calls that music?
Caveman 2: I know... that's what I said.
Caveman 1: Real music is made with your voice, not by beating on a hollow log.
Caveman 2: I know, but what are the women doing?
Caveman 1: Not sure, but they're giggling making wierd movements with their hips.
Caveman 2: Oh, this is not good. We're gonna have to put a stop to this.
Caveman 1: Your're right. Anyone who doesn't make music with thier voice is not a musician around here.
And so it begins.....
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 11:23 PM
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM
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Subtronik wrote:Ok, I'll check acidplanet.
edit: checked out sleepwalker. Much different then the other stuff you have here at AS, I like it. The sound quality is much better than your other work here too.
If you're not sequencing most of the time, yet you use pre recordings to play live while you play other stuff, isn't that similar to using a sequencer, meaning non live at some point? Fuck knows
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Friday, July 4, 2008 at 11:50 PM
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My point is you don't like sequencers because they kill your live vibe, yet you obviously use pre recorded samples to play live, which is not live. You come off so cavalier about not using sequencers I just thought maybe you were being a little hypocritical
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:02 AM
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Subtronik wrote:My point is you don't like sequencers because they kill your live vibe, yet you obviously use pre recorded samples to play live, which is not live. You come off so cavalier about not using sequencers I just thought maybe you were being a little hypocritical  Its as live as i could possibly make it on my own. Obviously recording to tracks is kind of sequencing but not to the level of computer sequencing where everything is damn near perfect. Id truly love to play fully live but my lack of a band and or multiple arms forbids it. Anyhoo glad you liked sleepwalker, the quality on some of my tracks is believe it or not purposeful i run some of the singular tracks through heavy distortion to make it sound a little different and grungy. As i have a very very limited setup to make music i try and mess with the sound a bit. Im not being cavalier about playing near live its just a fact! ive never liked using computers for the whole production its way to time consuming for what is only a part time hobby for me. I fully admit some people can get brilliant results from the Cubase esq linup of programs but i just dont have the time or indeed the inclanation for it.
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:14 AM
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I understand. It takes all kinds to make the universal audio soup.
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:17 AM
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swerve tweeter wrote:...ive never liked using computers for the whole production its way to time consuming for what is only a part time hobby for me.
OK, so... help me out here, Mr Swerve Tweeter...
Are you tape based then..?
If you're not using a computer I'd have to say your part time hobby must be far more time consuming than it would be if you used a computer. Wouldn't it. Or have you discovered some devine secret that allows you to compose, record, mix and master freehand at warp factor one.

I'd love to hear about your process. I'm sure others would too. We're all recording junkies here. Most people here, myself included, get off on hearing how other people make music. Sure, there are some among us who are only interested in getting their egos massaged, but for the most part the overall mentality here is techno-geek.


So lay it on us, brotha..!!

“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:20 AM
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Oh, and I should add with a fairly healthy dose of culture thrown in. You get all kinds around here...


“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 12:47 AM
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(((stereofect))) wrote:swerve tweeter wrote:...ive never liked using computers for the whole production its way to time consuming for what is only a part time hobby for me. OK, so... help me out here, Mr Swerve Tweeter... Are you tape based then..? If you're not using a computer I'd have to say your part time hobby must be far more time consuming than it would be if you used a computer. Wouldn't it. Or have you discovered some devine secret that allows you to compose, record, mix and master freehand at warp factor one.  I'd love to hear about your process. I'm sure others would too. We're all recording junkies here. Most people here, myself included, get off on hearing how other people make music. Sure, there are some among us who are only interested in getting their egos massaged, but for the most part the overall mentality here is techno-geek.   So lay it on us, brotha..!!  Ok you asked for it so here goes-
First off im on about computers in the sense of Cubase and acidpro that i dont use.
Right Usually i start writing a chord progression on the keyboard psr 225 (yes its ancient but then so am i) then add maybe percussion, hi hat bells and whistles you know. Then record that 2 track from the onboard keyboard 6 track to one of the stereo tracks on the Boss multitrack. Theres my foundation from which to build on. Then its all done straight to the boss multitrack from that point onwards. Recently been adding distorted drums .then bass then lead, An undercurrent melody if that makes sense. i Pan everything to un clutter it try and level it out in terms of volume but thats where the post processing ends. Then i mix and record that down to a Minidisc yes you hear right a minidisc. Then i record that through (line in) to my computer. And then sit back and have a couple of sprouts and think how wonderful the world is.
How do you get the sound from your head into other peoples?
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:02 AM
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swerve tweeter wrote:How do you get the sound from your head into other peoples?
I use a computer 
The weird thing here ST is that you're the first 'electronic' musician I've met that doesn't care about perfect timing. That could work for you because it's an original approach, but also against you because the masses will have trouble digesting music that sounds out of sync.
If you don't care about the masses liking your music why say "It bugs me when i spend hours coming up with a tune with melody and direction. Then for some idiot to upload a bunch of hap hazard samples with a beat over it and call it music." Sounds like you'd really appreciate some recognition for your hard work.
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
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Wow... you truely are old... school that is...

That's cool, though. Guys that live next door to me use a Roland VS system for their recording. Drums, guitars, vocals. Works quite nicely for them (bashing away at all hours of the day).

Myself, I do a lot of analog recording. And I've used my MiniDisc for many a field recording. I do process everything in the digital domain, though. I just prefer it that way now.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:25 AM
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Subtronik wrote:swerve tweeter wrote:How do you get the sound from your head into other peoples? I use a computer The weird thing here ST is that you're the first 'electronic' musician I've met that doesn't care about perfect timing. That could work for you because it's an original approach, but also against you because the masses will have trouble digesting music that sounds out of sync. If you don't care about the masses liking your music why say " It bugs me when i spend hours coming up with a tune with melody and direction. Then for some idiot to upload a bunch of hap hazard samples with a beat over it and call it music." Sounds like you'd really appreciate some recognition for your hard work.
Blimey its not that bad is it? I think doing the music this way certainly gives me more freedom and creativity say for instance youre in the middle of recording something and your enjoying playing it you know instinctively that a change in temp or something radical is needed at that point then i can just do it on the fly there and then. If i was microeditiing every little note, the excitement and moment has gone. For me its not just about making good music its about enjoying the process of making music too.
Recognition is nice i believe thats what all of us on Artistserver are after but it isnt the whole picture for me! at least. If i went down the road of Computerised music id be the same as everyone else its nice to be original. My initial gripe was partly down to musicians having all the tools in the world to create blinding music and just trotting out beats with samples on them that to me isnt very enthralling.
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Subtronik
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:47 AM
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Yes blimey, it's that bad. At first I thought I was imagining it, then it got more pronounced.
You're already in the electronic realm man, why not join the rest of the world and properly sequence your work? Your bio says you've been making music 22 years?! That's a long time to avoid using computerized sequencing.
Even Jerry Garcia is using cubase in heaven now...
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: Can anyone remember what a tune is.....
Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 1:51 AM
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People can massage my ego anytime they want. Up a bit and a lil' more to the left would be nice... but beggars can't be choosers, eh?


Steve
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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