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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Friday, January 8, 2010 at 8:29 AM
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I forgot to include in the mp3 tracking rule/policy - ArtistServer also does not track any song activity on your own songs. Although this is only when you are signed in.
Another increase we are seeing here, is people emailing the site asking about licensing music for their own creations - mainly indie film stuff. So this year, I'll be working to better serve that population, making it easier for them to understand the various license options, etc.
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Synerdata.Net Radio
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Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 10:34 PM
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I would say, expect the stats to continue increasing with time...
What is needed, however, is a concerted effort to inspire the wider scattered
independent artist community to register here, now that the site is not strictly
serving the electronic music production community.
This would drastically increase traffic, where the community at large needs this
site, and it's community inspiring and collaboration inspiring promotional services,
which are generally crippled, or non-existent, at other sites where artists have
variously ended up in the course corporate owned sites being bought by the
competition, and either crippled and turned into independent artist burial haystacks,
or shut down completely.
In terms of most popular OMD sites (at alexa) ArtistServer.com is far below
GarageBand.com, while SoundClick.com is now the only remaining big independent
artist site with serious traffic numbers, however, SoundClick.com is and always has
been crippled, one can not browse all artists, or all new releases, and has pop-up
windows and doctored charts, and burial of the best artists, and other techniques
used by those who make business arrangements with OMD sites serving their
independent artist competition.
In the case of GarageBand.com (called GarbageBand.com by some record industry
cartel competitors) is unique, in that, former original mp3com artists from out of over
150,000 bands and artists, were able to click to transfer their sites to GarageBand.com,
and so that is where the greater portion of the global independent artist community
is strategically buried up now, at a site carefully groomed to be next to unbrowsable,
where the only way to review all artists is to go down the all time charts where one finds
better artists the deeper one goes. Fantastic artists are buried at Garageband.com,
the famous, and the best, from the wider former mp3com community, all of whom need
to be rescued from that independent artist graveyard.
What is needed is a concerted and united effort by the ArtistServer.com artist community
to contact all the artists in the wider global community, and to invite them to sign in
here, and explaining why, so that people can find them and their great music again
at this remaining altruistic site, which serves artists instead of their competition, unlike
that other kind of independent music sites, which serve the big labels to bury artists.
I am wondering if there is any artist community interest here in working together to
take Gideon's site up in traffic levels, public awareness, and in number of artists signed
in here. It would be great if Gideon had a multi-million dollar advertising budget to
make this the number one independent artist site, but in leu of that, it can still be
accomplished by a little good old mutual artist community collaboration, and promotion,
where everyone benefits from mutual promotion, just like in the good old days.
I would like to see this site replace soundclick.com as the number one independent
artist site, so that people can at least browse all the artists again. It's a better site
by an incomperable distance, and it is needed to re-empower the artists as a
large community, and as an industry competing with the record cartels, who labor
to cut off artist's abilities to gather, and collaborate, and mutually promote, which
this site is engineered to altruistically support and encourage.
Gordon
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A Bit Crusher
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Monday, January 11, 2010 at 11:31 AM
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yeah, AS & Gideon deserve a wider audience... 
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Monday, January 11, 2010 at 5:09 PM
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Epic post Gordon  Thank you so very much.
I believe that in order to get the ball rolling, we need to get some movers and shakers interested in ArtistServer, and on the Web, that would be some of the larger blog sites that cover music as well as social media/networks.
We may also need to establish a 'street team' or 'community leaders' of some sort, and have them work with me and possibly yourself to organize a plan to contact these blogs as well as some traditional offline resources (magazines, radio DJs, industry pros).
On my end, I probably need to write up better text/copy about the site, outlining what we are about, how we work, what you can do here, and why we are different and better.
While all of this is time consuming and not easy, there is a key factor to also consider, which are costs. I still cover about 1/2 of the costs it takes to run the site, and if we are gong to push the growth of the site, the site needs to be able to handle the growth. I have zero money to invest in this, as we are living month to month and can't really afford what it costs today. In terms of numbers, our current systems, hosting, etc. costs $6,000 per year. I do not draw any income personally from the site, all generated revenue goes into covering the $6k/yr hard costs. While this paragraph doesn't paint a prosperous picture, keep in mind that it has been this way for years. I think the last year that costs were fully covered by the site was 2004. So for 5yrs, I've been able to keep the site afloat with no budget and less than 50% of the costs being covered.
While I don't mean to dis GarageBand nor SoundClick, I have to agree with you - I simply can't stand browsing those sites, as they are not easy to navigate around, and difficult to find music I enjoy. Add MySpace to that list too - I think the longest I was able to look at that site was 20min since their inception. Of course, I'm very biased, and extremely opinionated when it comes to music sites.
Contacting other artists directly would be wonderful, just as long as people didn't spam anyone or any forums. If people have some ideas on how to do this without coming across as a spammer, please contribute here.
Contacting other artists indirectly is another option - I see this happening though partnerships with music related business' - for example: music hardware and software companies, radio stations that play indie music, magazines that want to have an indie music section, or even companies that make/sell mp3 players. The issue here, is that I'm not a marketing or business development guy, I'm a developer and artist. I did make a good effort to contact sites, magazines and companies when I launched the "music projects" feature on the site - but I didn't get much of a response, then again, my email may not have been as good as it could have been, and that the concept of music projects isn't as attractive as I hoped.
If people wish to contact me with their ideas and suggestions, and don't want to post publically to the forum, send me a private message, I'd love to hear from you.
Thank you again for the support and kind words Gordon, reading your post this morning was a great way to start a Monday!
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ABC - thank you
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Friday, February 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM
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I've added the music stats for August 2009 and January 2010 below - we've more than doubled our music traffic in the last 6 months:
August 2009
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Total Downloads: 59,375
Total HiFi Streams: 54,667
Total LoFi Streams: 9,067
September 2009
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Total Downloads: 59,148
Total HiFi Streams: 64,795
Total LoFi Streams: 9,257
October 2009
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Total Downloads: 68,901
Total HiFi Streams: 69,807
Total LoFi Streams: 10,466
November 2009
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Total Downloads: 95,378
Total HiFi Streams: 67,175
Total LoFi Streams: 12,837
December 2009
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Total Downloads: 154,244
Total HiFi Streams: 78,903
Total LoFi Streams: 15,010
January 2010
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Total Downloads: 167,287
Total HiFi Streams: 76,468
Total LoFi Streams: 17,690
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Synerdata.Net Radio
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Tracking suggest that the universe is pleased with this site, and is apparently intent to
bring it up to prominence, and it is certainly well deserved, and it is possibly related to how
other independent OMD sites have been ostensibly clear-cut in the past 2 years, where all
in one year, Music.Download.com was suddenly shut down, while ArtistLaunch.com was
bought, and then just destroyed, breaking it's creator's heart, for it had grown so large,
and so the artists, and the public, have been wondering where the new "mp3com" of the
times is up now, and it's very virtues are what wins the hearts of artists and their fans
alike.
Either that, or the site has lucked out with some really good high traffic placements that
are feeding it with traffic. Either way, I think that it is probably a really good sign of things
to come, for this site, just looking at the numbers, I would say that if they keep increasing
as such, you may have to make some important business decisions that until these times
have not been necessary to keep going. Sometimes, success comes easily and overnight
for a startup, while in other cases, it can take many years in obscurity and development,
until the market conditions favorably change, or until one is "discovered" by masses, but in
this case, the steady slow buildup appears almost phenomenal, like it were all just caused
by good dharma, or whatever, or like mankind has an inherent growing need now for this
service.
I wonder, privately, what your personal threshold may be, should the traffic continue to
increase beyond the status quo of your normal maintainance input, so to speak.
Those numbers are good news to all the artists here, for sure!
Artists, like, ArtistServer.com/Crystalline, who has just come to join this vibrant and growing community...
(Check out her awesome music and paintings!)
-STARK
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Monday, February 15, 2010 at 3:11 PM
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>>>Tracking suggest that the universe is pleased with this site, and is apparently intent to
bring it up to prominence, and it is certainly well deserved,
Thank you - and yes, the universe is quite happy with the site it seems, as I have been contacted by a company that I am discussing a partnership with that could be an excellent extension to our services. I'll share more if things solidify and we sign something. What I will say, is that this partnership could get artists and bands from ArtistServer on a seriously large number of digital jukeboxes at locations like bars, clubs, cafes, etc. in 30 different countries. This would give our artists access to a huge amount of exposure. Of course, this company could form the same partnership with other indie music sites, but regardless, it's exciting and sounds like a great opportunity.
>>>I wonder, privately, what your personal threshold may be, should the traffic continue to increase beyond the status quo of your normal maintenance input, so to speak.
It doesn't take too much work to run the site. Everything tends to run on it's own, I mainly just survey the status and ensure the wheels are turning. The only time there is work, is when I build new features, fix bugs, or have to deal with hardware failure. We're on dedicated hardware now, so I no longer own the servers, which means I no longer have to cover any costs for failed hardware. In terms of what it costs to run the site, I don't think I can afford too much more. The next stage of scaling would be for me to move all the music onto it's own server, so the streaming and downloads are not competing for resources with the site. This will probably add another $180-250/mo. I'll also be looking into using amazon's S3 storage solution, but I'll first need to verify it will work with my music tracking process, and work out what the possible fees will be based on our bandwidth. Right now, our biggest issue/bottleneck, is the site sharing the same system as the music.
And yes - Crystalline has some good tunes
TTYL
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Synerdata.Net Radio
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That's great news! I think that even one good business arrangement can provide the
impetus, and other things, that is needed.
One might wonder about the difference between a small artist community service and
a full blown big-time commercial high-traffic mega-site, and question if it is desirable to
grow to such size, or whether it is better to remain relatively small and supported by
a dedicated community, but when it comes to music and artwork, the first thing that
the artists need is the good hosting service, and the second thing is the exposure to
the public, which the big media companies are militant to maintain as their own product,
lest the stars start making themselves up now, without their approval first.
I also think that it is inherent in -the real- music business that the products and stars
thereof, are all originally homegrown, that every great band started in a garage, and
without a lot of money, and that where there is any serious artist, especially up now,
no matter how obscure and casual in career, and no matter how "unsigned" they may
be, that these are the very stars which would once shine back when bands were
still signed by big labels, and these stars are among us to this day, and in the same
context, it is the small labels and other services and infrastructure of those who are
not smarmy nor fortune 500 companies which are the heart and soul of the music
industry, up in the future now, and that there is a big difference between "big labels"
and/or media conglomerates, and the music industry they presume to call their own,
which industry is made of real artists, in the business of making art, not just money.
-STARK
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Wintermute
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Saturday, February 20, 2010 at 4:43 PM
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Ok since it was asked...
Wintermute stats--
For December 2009:
Total Downloads: 11529 Total Preview: 0
Total Streams: 8892 Total Ringtones: 3
For All of 2009:
Total Downloads: 68682 Total Preview: 0
Total Streams: 44587 Total Ringtones: 24
I did notice the last part of last year seem to have gone up a lot as the year closed out--My December was nearly twice the size of any month before it. Normally I have been seeing a 20% growth in overall downloads per year, but last year seemed to grow well over 20% for the year--if I remember right I was expected total Downloads + Streams to be about 80k, but it ended up well over 100k... Hope this helps... I will be posting more info to my Blog
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Second Thought
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Saturday, February 20, 2010 at 6:40 PM
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My downloads and plays are still on the increase and I seem to be topping the ambient, illbient, IDM and techno charts. This is good news, I believe. Or bad news, haha.
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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FutureMusicCorp
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Sunday, February 21, 2010 at 1:04 PM
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My 2009 in graphic form, looked good until I read Wintermutes stats! 
edit - thats for 24 tracks.
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Wintermute
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Sunday, February 21, 2010 at 1:34 PM
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FutureMusicCorp wrote:My 2009 in graphic form, looked good until I read Wintermutes stats!
400 songs you have and your stats not look as good... or better ;)
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Sunday, February 21, 2010 at 4:31 PM
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My totals for 2008 (111 songs)
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Total Downloads: 24,162
Total Streams: 8,701
Total Preview: 5,524
Total Ringtones: 2,192
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total song hits: 40,579
My totals for 2009 (114 songs)
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Total Downloads: 36,432
Total Streams: 19,537
Total Preview: 12,705
Total Ringtones: 1,501
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total song hits: 70,175
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Wednesday, February 24, 2010 at 2:54 PM
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Ok having seen some of these stats on this thread i feel small fry! You guys on here definately work hard at this music lark. 114 tunes in a year Gideon, how do you find the time for all that music making?
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Wednesday, February 24, 2010 at 7:07 PM
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>>>114 tunes in a year Gideon, how do you find the time for all that music making?
sorry my post wasn't clear - that was a total of 114 tunes 'in' that year. I've been recording these tunes for just over 10yrs now.
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Second Thought
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Thursday, February 25, 2010 at 6:20 AM
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Gonna nick your format there Gideon. ;)
My totals for 2008 (6 songs)
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Total Downloads: 2,797
Total Streams: 658
Total Preview: 624
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total song hits: 4,079
My totals for 2009 (8 songs)
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Total Downloads: 7,458
Total Streams: 1,975
Total Preview: 1,158
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total song hits: 10,591
Crikey, that's some growth isn't it?
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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swerve tweeter
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Thursday, February 25, 2010 at 12:19 PM
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Sonic Wallpaper wrote:>>>114 tunes in a year Gideon, how do you find the time for all that music making? sorry my post wasn't clear - that was a total of 114 tunes 'in' that year. I've been recording these tunes for just over 10yrs now.
AHH i See!!
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Second Thought
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 6:17 AM
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Errr, I'm still getting downloads on tracks that I've hidden from my page. What's going on here?
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 7:26 AM
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feel free to msg me w/ what track and I'll check the settings.
If the song was 'ever' public on your site, the URL can still be requested. If you have the song 'off' for streaming and downloading, then no, it can't be requested. So in your case, my guess is that you have streaming and or downloading still turned on, and that the link exists on the Web somewhere.
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Second Thought
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RE: Anyone noticed increased Stats lately?
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 8:57 AM
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It's my remix of The Opponent Process's Cellar Dwelling - Googling "Cellar Dwelling Second Thought Remix" does come up with a free mp3 page. I wonder how many other download hits come from these?
I only removed it from my page as I'm trying to keep the page as tidy as possible really. I might reinstate it in the future as I'm very happy with it, though.
Drug use for children has for many an education and with obvious alarm to both parents on the increase almost yearly.
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