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hellscion
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ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 2:32 PM
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alright not too long of a story..
around the end of the year construction work always slows down as people want quiet & dont want to spend money on renovating their home soo i was working at my bosses' house doing landscaping, usin a mini-dozer, & rakes and shovels. though my LLC card says 'carpenter/trim carpenter'. there was this 45 year old black guy i was working with that had been giving me a lot of shit for a week straight, as i had to work with him because i dont really know anything about yardwork. so it was a thursday or so and at 10am he had me ready to either quit or lose my temper & break a rake over his head then stab him with the other end. soo i was holdin back an adrenaline rush & trying to keep my cool and a few minutes later i met my bosses' wife for the first time and i believe i appeared a bit crazy. anyways, i got fired last friday over this. so i got fired because of someones' opinion that doesnt know me at all. so im searching for another job now & wondering if they are legally wrong somehow. **sigh**
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 7:25 AM
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did they put in writing why you were fired?
If not, I would ask for it in writing, and if it doesn't match up w/ what they initially stated, point this out to them and request that the document must state the same reasons you were told. From there - you can check w/ some type of local employment agency - sorry I don't know the details on this - but I'm sure you can search online. Schedule a meeting and bring along your own written statement as to what happened, but do not offer it up unless they ask.
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Subtronik
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 7:30 AM
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I say cut your losses and move on.
Once you find a good match for you and the right company, you'll be happy as can be.
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Kylo
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 9:26 AM
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I agree with Subs. It's part of fitting into a better place-- I'm really happy right now because I moved on. (Had to do it quite a bit)
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hellscion
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 10:18 AM
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haha.. what do you think im doing wallowing in a pit of self-despair? 
no i was trying to point out to you the discrimination part. believe me ive had to find another job and even another place to live many, many times. it got old around 2002 but what else can ye do..
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Kylo
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 10:28 AM
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Do you have a good driver's record Hellscion?? I hope you do-- cause working for a courier business is the way to go. Jam out to your music all day, just throw packages around. It's a great form of freedom I recommend if you can. Seasonal opportunities are right now.
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hellscion
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 10:40 AM
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Kylo wrote:Do you have a good driver's record Hellscion?? I hope you do-- cause working for a courier business is the way to go. Jam out to your music all day, just throw packages around. It's a great form of freedom I recommend if you can. Seasonal opportunities are right now. 
ive looked into it but i dont do jobs with a dress code or drug testing. so that cuts out like 95% of them. im looking into interior trim carpentry or working as a cook. although i try to avoid working in the food industry.. that particular company had a history of firing everyone they hire within 2 weeks. i lasted about 5 or 6 months & they fired me because of my t-shirt. which i just found out last night. they just wanted a clean-cut patriotic american employee not.. me. whenever i picked up my last check i went a day after i said that i would and met the head of the company when he wasnt expecting, because he isnt the one that fires people. and said to him 'ill say it to your face co**sucker f*** you'. and to the black dude (jerry) "yea f*** you too". feeling better now that ive 'ventilated'
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Kylo
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 11:21 AM
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Hahaha... I like it. 
Yeah I've got an old manager at a pet store I used to work for back in Oregon that I'd like to throw a brick through his windshield. I like to induce fear instead, he knows I want to do something-- so I shake his hand every time I see him like I already did something really nasty. Make his ass wonder for a long time, that's what he gets. 
I love superficiality...

Well, I still have a bunch of friends from that place, so I tend to not care.
*but I still remember exactly how bitter I felt and will never forget.* 
I'm not threw with him yet.
Rule no. 1: Never be predictable.
Am I creeping any of you guys out yet?? lol
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hellscion
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 11:41 AM
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a lot of people just seem to have a bad attitude just because theyre the boss. usually the reason for this is improper disciplining from their parents & anger management issues. either that or like my former boss, a 'snob'. yea though.. bastards
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Subtronik
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 6:26 AM
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hellscion wrote:what do you think im doing wallowing in a pit of self-despair?
What I meant actually was that unless you have the ACLU helping your case, it's a lost cause and will go nowhere. Nothing will happen to the guy and you'll lose money if you hire an attorney.
Just move on to another company.
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reconsiderate
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Sunday, November 4, 2007 at 7:47 AM
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hellscion wrote:anyways, i got fired last friday over this. so i got fired because of someones' opinion that doesnt know me at all. so im searching for another job now & wondering if they are legally wrong somehow. **sigh** Yup. People are callous jerks who couldn't possibly care less about others... specifically, you or me or anyone who isn't directly a part of their private home life. And even then it's questionable.
Why are things this way? Who knows. Probably some kind of DNA thing. I personally keep getting caught off guard by it, perpetually surprised and let down... and it sounds like you've got a similar kind of outlook. But there isn't much anyone can do about it. Other than buckle down and accept that if you look at someone wrong, he'll withdraw and leave you "alone and cold", to quote a poet.
Incidentally, I had some people act this way to me too earlier this week. I wrote an email to someone in my company that said: "Please share this info with your friends and teammates. I always get customers coming to me having heard the wrong things from you guys." And I actually got in trouble for this.
Can you believe that? The most ridiculous part is that my boss started preaching to me about how "we" want to maintain a kind of "team effort" atmosphere. Meanwhile, they've shown me anything but that every day for 1.5 years straight... and do I complain about it? Well, yeah, I did, but have since given it up because I looked around and saw that no one gave a flying crap. And now I gotta put up with this. Friggin ridiculous.
But such is the stupidity and ludicrosity (<-- is that a word?) of people. And there's nothing we can do about it but find ways to cope.
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hellscion
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Sunday, November 4, 2007 at 8:14 PM
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lucidiousness i think. yea youre right.. discrimination i tell you  just have to maintain
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Raj
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Monday, November 26, 2007 at 4:57 PM
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What does the fact that the guy is black have to do with it BTW?
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Kylo
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Monday, November 26, 2007 at 10:53 PM
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Quote:What does the fact that the guy is black have to do with it BTW?
Well, to cut through the B.S., it is a common occurance that people usually identify a nationality to get a better glimpse of the event taking place.
Most black people I've seen in America have a much different psychology; I believe that has to do with less patience than your average Joe Blow. Let's not kid ourselves, we are all very much different genetically on a 'macro-level' if you will, but of course we all grow the same.
Depending on environment we grow according to adaptation, and simply being around a certain area with a select group of people usually makes an induvidual more of a piece of a big representation rather a person to the average outsider. If you ask me...
Hence, we've got our stereotypes which is not a bad thing- it's just that stereotyping challenges our common society's altruistic nature everyday by probing for racists; which is unhealthy and sometimes used as a tool for survival... Which is a good or bad thing depending on who you are... For me, it's annoying because I get "axed" everyday for change after I buy some candy for my job and if I don't cough it up, I'm a jerkoff white guy with no common decency... For a few split seconds then the attention shifts to a completely new person that also has no common decency if you catch my drift. 
Hence the attention span thing I mention. I would be the same if I were living off of other people's guilt.
I guess my conclusion after saying this is that we can't pretend that we are all the same psychologically. We are the same as a culture of human beings- everyone co-existing according to what they have before them. And no, not all black people I know are pan-handlers; but those people I see seem to share the same level of patience when it comes to making a living off their environment.
So when someone points out a black guy-- don't point it out unless they insult the people as a whole, not just one guy.
Know what I mean Vern?
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Kylo
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Monday, November 26, 2007 at 11:13 PM
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btw hellscion-- Have you ever considered building cat trees and selling those pups for like 60 to 80 bucks a pop??
Cat trees sell like water around apartment complexes.
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hellscion
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 1:59 PM
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well didnt even see the last 3 posts. cat trees? heh, uhh 
anyways, i just pointed out he was black as a general detail & thought nothing of it but making a remark like that subtly implies that i'm racist. can i not just say 'black guy'. just by saying that am i being racist? the answer to all of this nonsense is to do as i do & just drop it. forget about it, because it isnt worth the time or energy or gatherings of people trying to make a point but in reality theyre just stewing over the same shit whenever time is solving the problem. think what you will but im trying to make a difference, small & miniscule though i may be. and ive been told i cant make a difference on this subject because.. im white! now, telling me i cant do something because of the color of my skin. isnt that racism?
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 2:46 PM
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seems to me he was just making a loose reference, but yes, if the guy was white, he most likely would not have included the skin color.
I think people simply make physical references - and skin color is the one attribute that is the most obvious to our memories.
Certainly, the context of the story doesn't focus on skin color, nor does the context make any generalizations or cut downs, so I'd take his reference to mean much.
Speaking of racial references, the new Unreal Tournament 3 came out, and the special edition comes with 95 tutorial videos produced by 3dbuzz.com. While the game just came out, I'm sure the sales will climb high all around the world. Well... right there in the first section of videos, the guy makes an error and calls the decor of the game map he was working on as "Oriental" and called the chow dogs 'cats.' For most people, that would be ok, but to the Chinese, they could see it as racism, since to them, the decor is clearly Chinese and the dogs as the "Royal Dogs of China".
To many people, Chinese, Korean, and Japanese races are simply "Orientals," - and to many, that's a racial slur. Check this out from Wikipedia:
Quote:While a number of reference works used in the United States describe Oriental as pejorative, antiquated or offensive in some instances, the American Heritage Book of English Usage notes that
It is worth remembering, though, that Oriental is not an ethnic slur to be avoided in all situations. It is most objectionable in contemporary contexts and when used as a noun, as in "the appointment of an Oriental to head the commission". In these cases Asian (or a more specific term such as Vietnamese, Korean, or Asian American, if appropriate) is the only acceptable term. But in certain historical contexts, or when its exotic connotations are integral to the topic, Oriental remains a useful term.[3]
Random House's Guide to Sensitive Language states "Other words (e.g., Oriental, colored) are outdated or inaccurate." This Guide to Sensitive Language suggests the use of "Asian or more specific designation such as Pacific Islander, Chinese American, [or] Korean." [4] Merriam-Webster describes the term as "sometimes offensive,"[5] Encarta states when the term is used as a noun it is considered " a highly offensive term for somebody from East Asia"
at any rate - I wish there were 100 races each filled with their own history and culture, as it's these differences that makes life so interesting.
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Raj
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Tuesday, November 27, 2007 at 5:29 PM
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I didn't say anyone was a racist. I thought my question was very objective and was more of Rosarch test. I didn’t really intend to make it as a test it just turned out that way, I was just curious why that point was mentioned since it didn’t really seem to have anything to do with the story. I have nothing against somebody noticing the race of an individual if it adds to the picture. I mean pretending we are all the same color (“colorblindness”) is worse than realizing that there are differences. However I think some of the generalizations made by Kylo were down right dangerous and erroneous. Your statement “less patience than your average Joe Blow” is really off the mark. I don’t think you are a racist in the Hayward Robillard sense of the word, but I think you need to re-evaluate your preconceptions.
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Kylo
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RE: ok does this strike anyone else as 'wrong'
Wednesday, November 28, 2007 at 1:37 PM
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man you're not getting my picture. Okay, I guess I chose the wrong words. Communication's a bitch when you're trying to point out that people are certain ways according to their environment.
What I meant by "less patience" was that I see and observe more frequently from my experience, a pattern of characteristics with a select group of people that I am around. Less patience was a poor idea on the big picture but it is one trait I see over and over; this doesn't mean I'm making a generalization on all black people.
dammit. 
I use less patience as an example in order to compare to Hellscion's story.
If it's worse to pretend that there is no difference then why feel intimidated by an explanation on why people choose to identify others by race in certain situations like Hellscions?
edit: I see where I made my mistake. I actually did use a "they" in the wrong place, but I was trying to put in a different meaning. I've corrected it...
This is a reminder of how easy it is to say one thing wrong when you mean something else. The problem with this conversation is that it is like a balancing act of patience, understanding, and meaning and only too frequently does a wrong word cause your communication to topple down to anger and misunderstanding. I apologize for the wrong explanation.
I'm not a dangerous person; I am a philosopher and observationalist.
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Raj
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Wednesday, November 28, 2007 at 3:33 PM
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I don't feel intimidated--maybe you mean this in a rhetorical way? Anyways I’m not trying to parse anybody with political correctness, race relations just happens to be an interesting subject to me. Having grown up in the Bay Area in Oakland I’ve seen about every preconceived stereotype get demolished through meeting many different people for all walks of life that’s its hard for me to maintain any sort of stereotype other than the innate inherit tribal xenophobia that we all have. I also have been the “victim” of stereotyping constantly because of my appearance since I don’t choose to conform to the norm. I think anyone who doesn’t conform to the 50s norm that is so prevalent has a small inkling of what its like for people to prejudge you based on race, which of course I have experienced also.
Anyways I think I understand what you are expressing.
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