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Subtronik
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oink is taken down
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 at 1:00 PM
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/tees/7057812.stm
Check out their site now:
http://oink.cd/
And here's some tv news on the story:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QuwwMZKYxag
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Brainbelly
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RE: oink is taken down
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 at 1:57 PM
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Good! 180,000 fewer thieves (the stated number of "members")
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination, but crossing the road with your eyes closed is easy" -John Lennon - “What relates to reality, is not certain; and what is certain, is not real.” --Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
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RE: oink is taken down
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 at 2:03 PM
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So I take it you've never copied music before? ;)
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Brainbelly
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RE: oink is taken down
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 at 3:53 PM
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I thought they said these were pre-release albums. If the artist makes available for download its one thing but items licensed for retail is quite another.
"Reality leaves a lot to the imagination, but crossing the road with your eyes closed is easy" -John Lennon - “What relates to reality, is not certain; and what is certain, is not real.” --Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
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RE: oink is taken down
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 at 3:58 PM
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You didn't answer my question though.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: oink is taken down
Tuesday, October 23, 2007 at 4:22 PM
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I haven't done any file sharing since the original Napster. I do download live bootlegs from time to time, but these are usually nowhere near the quality of a real release. I'm also a Dead/Phish head, where live recordings did wonders for the bands.
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hellscion
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RE: oink is taken down
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 3:23 PM
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i dunno i dont feel the whole mp3 thing is quite as serious as people try to make you think. for one thing, the only musicians whose profits were really hurt by this were the largest acts in the country. the highly syndicated & franchised. the most mainstream of music. for musicians that arent all that popular, as far as i know they make most of their money at concerts. there was an episode of south park where they talked about this and they showed the drummer from metallica talking about having a vision of putting a gold plated pool-bar by his swimming pool but couldnt because of music piracy. there was another that showed ozzy talking about how he wouldnt be able to get his son his own private island because of pirated music. um.. do you see what im getting at..
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: oink is taken down
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 5:23 PM
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>>> do you see what im getting at..
yes. You've simplified the whole music industry, and 100's of thousands of artists down to the experience of a small population.
Nearly all things in life can be defined on a bell curve, and the the majority of artists are not on the far right, earning loads of cash, they sit in the middle, earning some cash. While the artists in the middle do not have as much music stolen, and do not loose as much, they are the majority, and can feel the consequences.
Yes, bands and artists do earn a lot of their money on tours - but this is usually due to their contracts. The contract has to 'not' dedicate a % of the tour revenue to the label, and some do.
Just because an artist is making a lot of money doesn't make it right for others to decide that they shouldn't make any more. If you don't like it, don't support the artist. Justifying stealing based on someone's wealth is a bad road to go down - once you do that, all kinds of things are easily justifiable.
If you really feel these artists don't deserve any more money, then steal the music, and donate the cost of the release to a charity, that way, you are at least giving while taking.
With that said, I do have to say that most file sharing of mp3s does not matter, as most of those people are NOT listening to the music, they just collect them like stamps or coins... filling their drives up.
Be kind 
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hellscion
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RE: oink is taken down
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 7:03 PM
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heh, yea youre right. wise sonic wallpaper. my views of this were based more on reading back on musical history before it was corrupted by the industrial revolution & commercialism. a long, long time ago you couldnt put a price on music. then theres tribes & indigenous people. what music is to them is very different from the way that most people in america see it, though not everyone i think. umm i could also mention.. i dont listen to any musicians that are all that popular. it seems like the more popular a group or artist gets the less that i like them. perhaps it is just the nonconformist in me.. 
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: oink is taken down
Wednesday, October 24, 2007 at 7:22 PM
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>>heh, yea youre right. wise sonic wallpaper. my views of this were based more on reading back on musical history before it was corrupted by the industrial revolution & commercialism. a long, long time ago you couldnt put a price on music. then theres tribes & indigenous people. what music is to them is very different from the way that most people in america see it,
It sounds like you feel making money from music is wrong, or that it's an American thing, but it was the church, kings, and wealthy in general that first started funding music in Europe. Some of the greatest pieces in classical music would not exist if they were not commissioned.
>> personally the more popular musician gets the less that i like them. perhaps it is just the nonconformist in me.
I can understand that. I felt similar in college. All kinds of people were into Jane's Addicition, suddenly they were huge. I had an opportunity to see them in a small venue, and passed up on it. Of course, now I wish I went - as I realize they rocked back then
My general feeling, is that if you want something, and it's for sale, you pay for it, or you build your own.
On a similar tangent, my general feeling is that artists do not need labels, and that they should give away at least an albums worth of music for free to build buzz with and to focus on performing and selling stuff at shows. Oh... and to join ArtistServer.com
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hellscion
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RE: oink is taken down
Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 6:09 AM
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Sonic Wallpaper wrote:
My general feeling, is that if you want something, and it's for sale, you pay for it, or you build your own.
yea man i agree. ive probably spent over a thousand dollars on cds.. which amounts to somethin like 3,000 songs on my pc and most of them are legal 
Sonic Wallpaper wrote:My general feeling, is that if you want something, and it's for sale, you pay for it, or you build your own. On a similar tangent, my general feeling is that artists do not need labels, and that they should give away at least an albums worth of music for free to build buzz with and to focus on performing and selling stuff at shows. Oh... and to join ArtistServer.com
haha, true that  music is very much a spiritual thing, i feel. something i learned from studying ethnic music and also native american flutes & war drums. yea just think about that when you hear rap music 
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: oink is taken down
Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:14 AM
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As for the OiNK thing...
Never heard of it.
In regard to the OiNK thing...
I think file sharing is gonna be a thorn in the recording industries side for a long time. I know... big surprise, right? But as long as people continue to want something for nothing they will risk whatever it takes to get it and/or make it available--despite any possible consequences--and the internet is the perfect vehicle for that.
I think it's fair to say that there's still a healthy market for commercial music. I know the stats may appear to show a sluggish market, but I think it has more to do with consumer burnout than file sharing. People still want to buy music. I know I do. But the marketplace is so saturated, the selection so enormous, the hype so mindboggling, the fallout from it has created a try-before-you-buy mentallity which almost invariably results in a fuck-if-I'm-gonna-pay-for-that or even worse fuck-I-can't-believe-I-paid-for-that attitude.
The industry has created this monster yet they continue to churn out less than steller product by obscenely overpaid performers for which they have to charge outrageous prices. And when that product fails to live up to its hype and the consumers ignore it they're always quick to place blame on anything and everything but themselves. They clearly have themselves planted in front of the woods, but can't see the forrest for the trees.
And what's most troubling of all is they have our governments in the palm of their hands.....
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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hellscion
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RE: oink is taken down
Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 10:31 AM
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oink was pink & nearly everyone there had a kitten for their avatar. very weird..
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Subtronik
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RE: oink is taken down
Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 6:01 PM
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Subtronik
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RE: oink is taken down
Thursday, October 25, 2007 at 6:05 PM
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I think eventually all music will be free.
Personally, I've decided I'll never charge for my music.
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Multi-Panel
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RE: oink is taken down
Friday, October 26, 2007 at 5:41 AM
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as long as soulseek is still running..
anyway, what struck me as amusing was a letter some oink pirates published, talking about how how the police obeyed the law and blabla.. hello guys! you're pirates! i never knew a pirate who asked a name before chopping a head of with a hook. strike first, questions later.
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reconsiderate
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RE: oink is taken down
Sunday, November 4, 2007 at 7:26 AM
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Subtronik wrote:Personally, I've decided I'll never charge for my music.
Seems to be what most forward-thinking musicians conclude.
I haven't fully concluded it myself, but I do recognize it as the word of nature and reality. Almost every one of my online songs is available for free download, and simultaneously available elsewhere for pay download. My motto is that I'm giving the listeners a choice:
Reconsiderate wrote:Go ahead and download my stuff. If you want to show me a little support, well then that'd be super. Donations neither requested nor turned away. What's most important is that you have it if you like it.
The only things I've made pay-only are physical CDs. It costs me a bit to get them printed and shipped, so I want at least to make my ends meet on that front.
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Subtronik
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RE: oink is taken down
Sunday, November 4, 2007 at 8:34 AM
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reconsiderate wrote:The only things I've made pay-only are physical CDs. It costs me a bit to get them printed and shipped, so I want at least to make my ends meet on that front.
I'm with you. I'll only charge for the supply's if I charge at all.
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