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S.A. Fred
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http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm
Old news most likely...but fascinating, alarming, illuminating if you haven't seen it.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 10:10 AM
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excellent film/documentary!
All the topics were things I have researched a bit online on my own over the years. I subscribe to these theories to some degree - and I find I feel this way most when I start going through the information and photos, etc. It's only when I float back into the general flow of modern life that I begin doubting these theories. I think that's just the voice of security telling me that I need to believe that such horrible things couldn't happen, and that such evil and power hungry people can't take over positions of power to the degree of attacking it's own citizens.
The film is 2hrs long - you all should watch it, and see if you are still 100% comfortable with believing what you believe. The topics are quite large, including... religion, denouncing nearly all prophets as recounts of the 'greatest story ever told' - which is simply the cycle of the sun, 911 being an inside/setup job - as well as the Luisitania (WW1), Pearl Harbor (WW2), the Tonkin Incident (Vietnam), and how the central bank of the US came to be, and how it works.
To top it off... the film is edited quite well, with audio quotes from many people, to slightly cool visuals, and plenty of historic footage to support the claims. I even heard a Peter Gabriel track on the film (sounded like it was from Passion).
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S.A. Fred
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 3:59 PM
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It's quite a watch!
One of my work colleagues put me onto it this week, and I watched it last night quite late...didn't intend on watching it all, but found I couldn't let go...I had to watch it all! There are lots of pieces of many theories in there, nothing I don't think that hasn't been covered in other documentaries...but presented and edited to produce a piece that resonates quite loudly...making a very crystal clear sense!
Its alarming to say the least! And yes, its easy to fall back into routine...enjoy the familiar comforts and "normality", there is a part of the mind that just can't accept it...because if it did, the whole fabric and meaning of everything sort of disintegrates.
There is a lot of talk in the news about recession...credit crunch, what have you, not to mention the ever present wars. Inter spliced nicely with some beautifully shot commercials, consumer lifestyle programs...
There was a program on over here called "The power of nightmares" by director Adam Curtis, also check out "The Trap - Whatever happened to our freedom" by the same director. Both can be seen on YouTube. Essential viewing, and good companion pieces to this movie.
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 5:33 AM
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Yup... came across it last summer. There must have been about 6 or 7 different language versions on Stage6 (before it got shutdown). Have turned a lot of people onto it. Very Loose Changish/Alex Joneish in its POV.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Tecknixia
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Thursday, March 20, 2008 at 12:37 PM
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It's not just illuminating... it's borderline life changing!
I watched it last night and I kept an open, but skeptical, mindset while watching. As skeptical as I was, I couldn't help but notice how much sense it made.
I enjoyed the religion part mostly, because I already knew that religion was littered with corruption, but I still didn't know what to believe. I grew up going to different churches, and I heard one preacher that had something different to say... he helped me open my mind to new possibilities, and then I realized that most preachers completely take the bible out of context. So this video gave me some very helpful new information to form new conclusions about life.
The 911 thing, I had heard about skeptics and even looked into it a bit, but mainly just thought people were too damn skeptical for their own good. The documentary did seem a bit strongly opinionated and makes me not sure whether to believe everything they say. I am pretty indifferent on this subject. However, as I said before, it makes A LOT OF SENSE... and especially when they breifly mentioned the current president's grandfather. It makes you wonder why both Bush's initiated wars with Iraq and nothing happened while Bill Clinton was president.
The central banks, wow, this was the one that was the main eye opener... and my whole sense of reality was altered... are we truely living in "the matrix"? Apperently there's some truth to that. It all makes sense on so many different levels, right down to why it's so hard for me to be able to afford a college education... and why it gets harder all the time... and why the poor remain poor, and why the rich get richer. Appearently, while as individuals we have learned a lot about the world and about ourselves, it's those that count, the one's on the top of the economic food chain, the ones that lead us, who are holding us back for their own benefit. This is a prehistoric mindset, it's a mindset of survival, it's instinctive. It's limiting and it's beneficial to a select few and not to the rest of us.
I still can't help but hope that someday there will be a civilization in which all people work together and defend their true freedom from the chaos that surrounds them.
Oh well, I suppose I should just enjoy what I have, and start a family, and fund the financial empire while wasting precious time watching the "entertaining" source of media sitting in the living room... (actually, I haven't watched tv in a long time) and give up on all that I truely believe because I am not in the position of power to do anything about it. 
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Monday, March 24, 2008 at 10:10 AM
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Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money - Cree Indian proverb
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Tecknixia
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Monday, April 7, 2008 at 11:42 AM
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The Financial Fix Just Got Political
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23881181/
"In the case of the regulatory overhaul that Paulson announced, the first step is a wide-ranging proposal that would streamline and overhaul the system that has governed the financial-services industry since the aftermath of the Great Depression. Paulson proposed a major consolidation of the various agencies that oversee the financial system."
Bernanke, other officials defend Bear rescue
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23935940/
"Bernanke was the top witness at a hearing called to examine whether the Fed was justified in providing up to $30 billion to facilitate the sale of Bear Stearns Cos. to JP Morgan Chase & Co."
U.S. employers cut 80,000 jobs in March
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23953769/
"Even Ben Bernanke, in a rare public utterance for a Federal Reserve chairman, used the “r” word, acknowledging for the first time this week that a recession was possible."
LIVE VOTE: Is the country going in the wrong direction?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23952253/
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Adrian Bond
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 1:44 PM
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I am always reluctant to talk about this sort of stuff, because I always feel like anything I say is immediately dismissed as nonsense from someone still "asleep" and when I "wake up" I will see that these people were right all along. When Zeitgeist first came out, I got several mails from several friends who knew of my interest in conspiracy theories demanding that I see it and confront the evidence. The impression I came away with is that this material should be approached with great caution.
It has been some time since I saw it but here are some things that stand out in my memory...
The first bit about Christianity is lifted, in style and substance, from a film called The God That Wasn't There, which has been making the rounds for some time with the RSS set. These arguments have been around since the earliest days of Christianity, and the early church fathers dealt with them by insisting that any apparent similarity between the character of Jesus and earlier religious figures were literally Satan tinkering with history in order to challenge the faith of future Christians. So there's that sorted. Maybe not the strongest of arguments, but when placed in the context of Zeitgeist's basic premise it begins to become ironic.
The rest of the film, as I recall, draws heavily on the 911 Truth/NWO mythos and repackages it in a slightly more oblique, mysterious way. In my opinion, this was done to dissipate the impression one gets when one confronts these notions head-on. In my case, that would be that it is, at best, a somewhat dimwitted misinterpretation of history and at its worst, another form of dogma and therefore another form of control.
A couple of things that made me groan...
A quote form Hitler, announcing the formation of the Gestapo is juxtaposed with a quote from George W. Bush which appears to be a verbatim quotation of Hitler. The Hitler quote is presented with the date and occasion upon which the speech was delivered, the Bush quote is not. Why not? Because Bush never said it. This forces us to confront one of two possibilities; either the producers of the film did not bother to do the research but so wanted to believe that it was true that it made them zealous, or that they knew it wasn't true but presented it anyway because most people would not check it out on their own and if anyone does point out the inaccuracy, he can simply be told to "wake up".
Now remember, the message here is "you are being constantly misled in the name of some sinister motive". Then they mislead you. I am not suggesting that the producers are sinister, merely lightweights who should not be taken seriously. At worst, I think they saw an opportunity to make a buck in a growth industry. Fair enough.
Another thing was that it appeared to me as though the collapse of the twin towers was depicted in soft focus or at low resolution or in a small frame in some instances and I wondered why that might be. Then it struck me; it might just be that when the footage is sharp and you can see each and every little piece of falling debris, you might notice that there are objects falling much faster than the buildings themselves, which would mean that the idea that the towers collapsed "at free fall speed" is contradicted by the most basic examination of the available evidence. Maybe now it is I who am being paranoid, but it did get me thinking about what the agenda of the filmmakers might be.
In general, they relied on the same hackneyed, discredited and disproved observations about September the 11th, reuse the same selectively edited eyewitness interview footage, and present the same selectively culled evidence as the producers of Loose Change, Alex Jones and all of the other fringe characters that are making a living off of this stuff.
In contrast, I think the Adam Curtis pieces are really important and serve to underscore why all of this New World Order crap pisses me off so badly, namely, that it distracts attention from the real degradations we suffer on a daily basis and provides cover for the much more mundane abuses our governments and corporations engage in.
One of the things that always amuses me about the Truth Movement's obsession with Ron Paul is that if the influence of the rich and powerful is so alarming to you, why in the hell would you be so enamored with someone who is telling you that the Federal Reserve's monetary policy is the "root" of the problem? So the problem is not decades of supply side economics and insanely regressive taxation and unregulated capitalism draining all the resources from the hands of one class into another? Nope, it's Ben Bernanke, that minion of Satan.
What I think these guys really are is closet communists but they don't realize that the NWO rant is really just a critique of free market capitalism. Think about it; if you believe that the influence of wealthy, powerful elites must be limited, then you are certainly not a conservative like Dr. Paul or Alex Jones, right? I mean, what are we going to do, redistribute their resources? What does that sound like? If you believe in truly progressive taxation to even things up a bit, you might actually be a closet liberal, but I think we can all agree that it would have little impact on the inequities that are the core of the NWO conspiracy theorist's concern.
How do you fix an oligarchy without violating the principals of paleo-conservatism? I'd love to know. I would also love to know how telling the oligarchs that they cannot use their legally gained assets to improve and enhance their status any different from them telling you that you cannot hold property or own a gun?
Don't for a second get me wrong, the rate at which we are headed in the direction of dystopia should alarm all of us, and I would put my hatred of the current regime up against anyone's, but I feel like I have my eye on the ball and it becomes tiresome to get the "wake up" propaganda from the people who have, in my opinion, ridden it off the cliff.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Saturday, April 19, 2008 at 3:44 PM
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Hi Adrian 
How are things? I see you uploaded 2 new tunes - I'll have to check them out.
>>>The impression I came away with is that this material should be approached with great caution.
True - propaganda from any side should be taken with caution.
>>> and the early church fathers dealt with them by insisting that any apparent similarity between the character of Jesus and earlier religious figures were literally Satan tinkering with history in order to challenge the faith of future Christians.
that's hilarious. If history tinkering is an option, then the idea of having a belief system based on anything historic is quite dangerous.
>>>The rest of the film, as I recall, draws heavily on the 911 Truth/NWO mythos and repackages it in a slightly more oblique, mysterious way.
Yes, there are definitely other videos which present the various facts and theories in better ways. I like the photos which show the hole from the plane at the pentagon - you can clearly see a desk, garbage can and paper in one of the offices that was exposed from the hit... yet the fire was hot enough to vaporize the vast majority of the wreckage.
>>>A quote form Hitler, announcing the formation of the Gestapo is juxtaposed with a quote from George W. Bush which appears to be a verbatim quotation of Hitler. The Hitler quote is presented with the date and occasion upon which the speech was delivered, the Bush quote is not. Why not? Because Bush never said it.
These days, anything that's trying to document and connect the dots should be very upfront about the content and how the dots are being connected. Plus, I think if the film wantsto be taken seriously, it's best to not compare to Hitler, as it's become such a cliché in modern society. Godwin's_law
>>>Another thing was that it appeared to me as though the collapse of the twin towers was depicted in soft focus or at low resolution or in a small frame in some instances and I wondered why that might be. Then it struck me; it might just be that when the footage is sharp and you can see each and every little piece of falling debris, you might notice that there are objects falling much faster than the buildings themselves, which would mean that the idea that the towers collapsed "at free fall speed" is contradicted by the most basic examination of the available evidence. Maybe now it is I who am being paranoid, but it did get me thinking about what the agenda of the filmmakers might be.
I think the areas to focus on w/ the towers are, 1) all the reports of explosions within the towers, esp. at lower levels before collapse. 2) the molten metal that existed for days after and the trace amounts of the residue from the explosive compound found in the rubble. 3) The cuts in the metal frames. 4)The plane's fuel doesn't burn as hot as they say it had to, and the majority of the fuel is consumed upon initial impact.
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The film is indeed a form of propaganda, and selecting to take a stand for or against any of the topics it brings up isn't a good move. I think it's still worthwhile to check out. Personally, I found it quite funny that they selected to cover all the topics they did in one swoop. What I'd like to see, is a parody of the film
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Adrian Bond
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Monday, April 21, 2008 at 7:20 PM
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Hey Gideon,
Things are going great and thanks very much for asking. Lots of changes since the last time I was around here. New job, new music project, new approach to music in general. Hey, this might interest you a bit; as I recall you are something of a Dolby fan, right? Joanne and I were lucky enough to open for him last October. Unfortunately, now I have to think up a new goal in life, but aside from that it was pretty great.
As to the points you brought up, when I have this argument with my friends, I generally start by asking if they have familiarized themselves with what the NIST report, or the 911 Commission report, or even the NOVA and the Popular Mechanics articles, etc, said about whatever anomaly they wish to bring to my attention. It has been my observation that my friends have, for the most part, put little or no effort into doing both sides of the hang. I am not implying anything by that and please understand that if I am coming off as being condescending it is most assuredly not my intention to do so, I am merely saying that in my own attempts to understand what happened that day, the only conclusion I could reasonably come to was that 19 Islamist extremists flew three airplanes into buildings and one into the ground. Some of the buildings had been built on the cheap and deviated significantly from their design specifications to the extent that they suffered massive mechanical failures and one, the Pentagon, was so overbuilt that it did some really weird shit to the plane and vice versa. Perhaps not very satisfying as an explanation for everything our government did in response, but that it would be stupid and heavy-handed and an excuse for a bunch of crackpots to put their insane agendas to work and, most importantly, that it would cost us more than we could ever possibly hope to gain by it, was inevitable and completely predictable.
Here's a question; Why? I mean, why controlled demolitions or cruise missiles or remote controlled airplanes or thermite? Why not just get the CIA to recruit some pliable Muslims, telling them that they are working for Al Qaida, and turn them loose on your own country. Cheap, no exposure, no risk that one of the hundreds of federal, state and local officials that would have to be involved in a conspiracy will blow the whistle. Even if someone connects the dots and figures it out, the most that would ever come of it is half a dozen CIA agents going down, some boring congressional hearings that no one would watch or understand the significance of, and you're in the clear. After all, pretending to organize terrorist cells is how we stop terror plots occasionally, why not just play the same riff a little differently? That would be closer to a conspiracy theory that would interest me. Needless to say, I have never had anyone agree with me on that one. Maybe I should work in the Nazis, The Trilateral Commission, The Council on Foreign Relations, The UN, Planned Parenthood, The Illuminati, The Knights Templar, The Freemasons and The Spear of Destiny and see if anyone goes for it.
You know what this all reminds me of? The Intelligent Design debate, of all things. If you are making an argument based on empiricism and you are being responsible, there will be a point in the argument where you will have to say, "I don't know why that is". At that point the guy with the bible says, "I do!" and then quotes you chapter and verse.
Of course, the bible suffers from what could be politely referred to as internal inconsistencies, and so does the 911 Truth thing.
I would appreciate it you would imagine that we are having this conversation over a beer and that it is all said in the best possible humor.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Monday, April 21, 2008 at 8:06 PM
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>> as I recall you are something of a Dolby fan, right? Joanne and I were lucky enough to open for him last October.
that must have been great. I wish i checked out his tour. I purchased a live show of his off of emusic, and really liked the changes he made to most of the old tunes.
>>As to the points you brought up, when I have this argument with my friends,
I hope I didn't imply there was an argument going on. I honestly don't have a 'side' as to what happened. I do feel we don't know everything, and I don't really feel comfortable with the answers given... but I also don't feel comfortable saying what happened.
>>I generally start by asking if they have familiarized themselves with what the NIST report, or the 911 Commission report, or even the NOVA and the Popular Mechanics articles, etc, said about whatever anomaly they wish to bring to my attention.
No I have not - I'm quite casual about even thinking about the topics. I hadn't given 9/11 much thought in awhile, it was just watching the film reminded me of previous things I had seen over the years.
>> It has been my observation that my friends have, for the most part, put little or no effort into doing both sides of the hang.
Correct, I have not done any detailed research. If there are truths to surface, it's going to happen elsewhere, not from my own research. I'm curious, but the topic isn't something I'm wanting to spend my free time on.
>> I would appreciate it you would imagine that we are having this conversation over a beer and that it is all said in the best possible humor
indeed... I'll buy the next round What's that you're having? 
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Friday, April 25, 2008 at 8:29 AM
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"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."
Mark Twain
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Friday, April 25, 2008 at 8:31 AM
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Wait a sec... you meant beers for everyone, right Gideon?
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Tecknixia
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Saturday, April 26, 2008 at 3:06 AM
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Adrian, I thank you for your comments about this movie. I know very little about these subjects compared to people who have researched them on their own, and a fresh openminded opinion is very welcoming.
I had conversations with someone who had recently also watched this movie for the first time and he was almost freaked out about what was going on. I offered the question... does it all really matter? He couldn't get his head around why I would say that.
Another person I talked to... I expressed skepticism about the American Union and the RFID ideas... and he noticed that I was talking about future events and told me that the only reason it seems far-fetched is because it hasn't happened yet. I couldn't deny that everything in the film that had happened seemed believable.
Still... my new opinion is that although these people may want to rule the world (maybe they don't) are we so sure that their intentions are "evil"? Thinking about it... I can easily imagine that if I was in their shoes I would be thinking to myself... "man, these people really take us for granted. They should be thankful for how much liberty we give them." Well, that is if they are as powerful as this video implies.
I'm really not that worried... because although we may be misled here and there, the real power is in the hands of the people. Even if the Fed tried to control us with the dollar, and we didn't like it... we could develop another form of currency in protest. If the government tried to take over, and we didn't like it... it's own army would turn against it.
Ultimately, the stronger the country becomes, the more connected we become, the more say we have in the world, because the country only works because we are all working together to make it that way. They may have all the power, but that's ONLY because we allow it... if we decided that we didn't like the way things are working, in one massive decision, they would all be powerless. That is true of the government in communist countries as well.
I haven't done much research on what it is I really believe, but I think that if a world government did develop, the way it opperates would be dictated by the people of the world... it's not going to dictate the world... impossible... not with the awareness that is developing throughout the world. When a world government mindset brings people together, that will potentially enable us to be even more connected. The only ways that governments have complete control is through ignorance... when ignorance is replaced with awareness, then the governments lose their ability to manipulate. A world government dicatorship? Hardly. The people of the world could end it with a simple, "no."
The systems that are being set up... cell phone networks... and the Internet... we are deveoping systems of connectedness that enable us to work together more easily, and share ideas. That force is potentially more powerful than any wealthy groups of people or governmental establishments, period.
Edit: I have been looking at youtube videos dealing with governments in other countries, and public mindsets, and all I have to say is... oh how ignorant we all are!
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Adrian Bond
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Gideon- you did not in the least imply that there was an argument and I hope I did not either. I used that phrase in a purely rhetorical fashion and not as an incitement. Are you working under a different name? No new tracks? Am I missing something?
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"Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar"
Sigmund Freud (shortly before he fired up a ridiculously phallic cigar with no apparent sense of irony whatsoever)
Tecknixia- I do think it is fascinating what we have put up with without flinching so far, and I wonder sometimes what the tipping point might be. Then I think about the places on earth where the "erosion of civil liberties" would be something that would only come to mind after food, disease, war, rape, murder, etc. and that, as vapid as it may seem to us, our quality of life would be the fondest dream of most of the world's population. The trade off is that consumerism and the market encourage modes of behavior that are objectionable. In the 80s we coined "greed is good". What made that a revolutionary idea was that the people who adopted that mind set, perhaps for the first time in history, did so with no fear that they would be dragged from their homes and murdered by hordes of common people. Thus, the death of the notion that one avoids ostentation and in response we have come to worship wealth. In much the same way that Arthurian Legend sought to aggrandize the lives and motives of the class that benefited from feudalism, so our culture has made virtuous the exploits of the wealthy and powerful. But there is a problem... now the wealthy are too wealthy and are powerful enough to influence our lives directly every single day. This is, or should be, quite predictable in a system such as ours. One would have to have been fairly dull not to have seen it coming, but no, we see ourselves being that rich one day, and will suffer any degradation in the assurance that we ourselves will one day be flush. In that sense, we have brought this on ourselves. Either that or it is the result of a plot that goes back to the first crusade, I can never remember which.
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Yay, conspiracy theory "documentary"! Looks like a bit of bait and switch going on here - religion is dubious, therefore central banks are evil.
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S.A. Fred
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Thursday, July 10, 2008 at 12:56 PM
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I'm not very learned about all this conspiracy stuff myself. The stuff that fascinates and scares me is just our culture in general! So many contradictions, so many distractions, so much noise, and complications. A few years ago I happened to be reading a lot of post modern philosophy, the likes of Baudrillard and Frederick Jameson. All very wordy and difficult to decipher at best, completely oblique at worst...or maybe my mind couldn't quantify it! Anyway, the upshot is, our cultures manufacture false realities, the hyper realities, simulacrum's, its happening all the time, every second of every day.
I see all this conspiracy stuff in that context, wether it is a conspiracy or not...someone is trying to enforce its ideology, its idea of what life and reality is all about and how it should be lived. And to be blunt, its all a load of bollocks.
Not quite sure what my point is other than, the world is probably insane, or our culture is. Its like a lifeform feeding off itself in a never ending cycle, constantly trying to repackage itself as new, but fundamentally its the same old shit.
I think the Bhuddists have it right though
The Adam Curtis documentary's connect the post modern slant to the thrusting ideologies out there to the unlearned.
End of my stream of consciousness brain fart.
Hello Adrian BTW, I'll download your new tracks now, thanks for your myspace link...I can't use that site, its does my head in!.
Cheers,
Pete
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Tecknixia
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RE: Zeitgeist Movie
Saturday, October 4, 2008 at 11:47 PM
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Well, after some interest in the subject, and some research, I come back to you to say, wow, I've learned a lot.
S. A. Fred is right, we are living in a manufactured society... a window has opened among all of the limited food, limited energy, and looming destruction of the financial markets. A window has opened and people like Ron Paul are peaking through, and conspiracy theorists are sharing important information on the Internet. The leaders of the world are falling behind, and we have access to huge amounts of information that would have been hidden in the past (or at least not as accessable).
I think people in the UK in general have become more aware of things than most in the US... because they've dealt with it longer. Americans are still pumped full of endorphins associated with their freedom that they have... even as they're letting it slip away.
The crazy thing about this (that I thought would never happen) is that the more I learn about the world around me, (i'm not even looking for conspiracies, I'm just simply learning) the more I understand the things that I have heard from others, the less crazy conspiracies seem, and the more these things make sense. It's incredible.
I think one thing that has helped me understand WHY things are the way they are is to understand this:
Good people are content with the way things are, and bad people want to change the way things are. So, good people usually don't seek power, and bad people usually do. That is why things are the way they are... and until the good people realize that, and seek power as well, we're going to have a continuing problem.
Now, if you liked the first one, and want to continue the mind opening adventure, here it is:
Zeitgeist: Addendum
Personally, I think some of the advice they give at the end is only effective if a major percentage of the population contributes towards change. The reality is that chances are, the ones that make a change will be a minority. If we do something that not everyone else is doing, than that limits our power, and that is not going to help us out at all... we need more power to change our world for the better. How can we use modern technology if we seperate ourselves from the most powerful banks? We would be at a disadvantage. What we can do is try to educate the world, and get together to communicate and organize. We need to rise to power, gain influence, and then limit the power for corruption. For a different view of dealing with these issues, watch this one:
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