hellscion
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This was an attempt at drum & bass but because of my lack of experience with this genre it came out as something else. the acronym n.o.i.s.e. means: new oscillating intense sound experiment. thanks to koz for coming up with the title..
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“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Subtronik
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The snare sounds cheap. The beats sound out of sync at times. The repeating alarm sound is too repetitive and gets old quick. The sound quality is good but thats about it.
If you know of another band that makes this style of music I'd like to hear and compare.
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A Bit Crusher
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Will have a listen later on.....
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A Bit Crusher
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Subtronik wrote:The snare sounds cheap. The beats sound out of sync at times. The repeating alarm sound is too repetitive and gets old quick. The sound quality is good but thats about it.
If you know of another band that makes this style of music I'd like to hear and compare.
Are you serious, Sub??
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Sonic Wallpaper
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yeah - not sure about that beat - there is an odd run of hits in there that breaks the sense of flow that happens in DnB.
hellscion - I think what would greatly help, is to get a hold of some good DnB loops/breaks - open them up in an audio editor, and get a feel for the placement of the hits, how it swings, etc.
Here's a great way to 'grow' your own beat skills - mimic something that rocks, then once you have it down, start tweaking it to see what works - and here's how...
1. acquire bitchin drum loop
2. load the loop into your music app (I use sony acid)
3. load up 1-shot samples of the following: kick, open hat, closed hat, snare, shaker
4. zoom in on the sequencer, and start recreating the loop with the 1 shots - find the kicks, and place those first, then snare, then fit the hats and shaker in.
5. beats the really rock have some swing to them, so be sure to zoom far in so you can line the hits up properly - if you use a grid, you'll most likely kill the feel
6. as you place your drum hits, try muting the main loop to see how your version is going.
7. once you are happy, mute the orig, and copy your version of the loop to the next set of bars
8. now start working on a version B of your loop - try placing additional snares, try removing some hits, try occupying sections with builds of closely packed hi-hat hits.
9. and carry on again, making a version C, etc.
Once you've done this several times, you'll begin to get the feel for what patterns work, and next thing you know... someone says, gimme a 2-step, and a few click later - boom crack, boom-crack, boom crack, boom crack-crack...
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hellscion
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hmm.. that's a good idea. thanks 
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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A Bit Crusher
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Sonic Wallpaper wrote:...and a few click later - boom crack, boom-crack, boom crack, boom crack-crack...
This sounds more like House......
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Sonic Wallpaper
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A Bit Crusher wrote:Sonic Wallpaper wrote:...and a few click later - boom crack, boom-crack, boom crack, boom crack-crack... This sounds more like House......
you have to take in consideration my pseudo notation. The ' - ' is indicating a shorter timing, whereas the ' , ' was indicating longer timing
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A Bit Crusher
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Next time I'll think, then react....
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Subtronik
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A Bit Crusher wrote:Are you serious, Sub??
Yes. Maybe it's the style overall that I don't like.
So what's your opinion of this track?
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A Bit Crusher
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I'll have a listen again, will leave some FB later.
Although it's not my style, my first impression is that isn't that bad at all....
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A Bit Crusher
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OK, here's my minireview...it's definitely not Drum 'n Bass, but...who cares?
Sub, you wrote the beat sounds out of sync?
When?
Heard the track sev. times, but I didn't hear it, or at least it wasn't ruining the feel of the tune.
The snare sounds OK, the melody is a bit monotone, but I think it's ok with this kind of...rave(?) music.....
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Subtronik
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It's the snare triplets at 00:02, 00:08, 00:27, etc. They may be in sync, but for me it ruins the tempos fluidity. Also, the beat work sounds a touch cheesy and robotic overall. Different strokes for different folks though.
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hellscion
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 8:37 AM
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is really fair to say anything to an electronica artist about their music sounding robotic? seems like a way to make the techno dog/cat chase it's own tail.
jk
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 9:24 AM
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>> It's the snare triplets at 00:02, 00:08, 00:27, etc.
yes - that was it for me
>>> is really fair to say anything to an electronica artist about their music sounding robotic?
depends on what you want. Since you were shooting for DnB, then the answer is probably no, it shouldn't sound robotic, since most DnB timing is not grid based. Then again, our old friend Adam who recorded as Sporophyte for years was able to produce some amazing DnB that indeed had some rigid timing - but I'm sure if we converted his tracks to wav and loaded it into a sequencer, we'd see it's the hits that aren't on the grid that give the beat it's feel.
That's just my opinion. I'm sure ppl can find some great examples of techno influenced DnB.
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A Bit Crusher
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 11:01 AM
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>>> since most DnB timing is not grid based....
I think it is, although not as rigid as let's say..house...
Speaking of DnB...I'm currently working on some DnB-tunes and remixing old ones into a DnB-style.
Problem is I should keep them fairly simple, I think this is what DnB is about...so I have to DEL DEL DEL to the point where there is not much left and the tune still sounds OK...
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hellscion
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 11:17 AM
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Sonic Wallpaper wrote:>> It's the snare triplets at 00:02, 00:08, 00:27, etc. yes - that was it for me >>> is really fair to say anything to an electronica artist about their music sounding robotic? depends on what you want. Since you were shooting for DnB, then the answer is probably no, it shouldn't sound robotic, since most DnB timing is not grid based. Then again, our old friend Adam who recorded as Sporophyte for years was able to produce some amazing DnB that indeed had some rigid timing - but I'm sure if we converted his tracks to wav and loaded it into a sequencer, we'd see it's the hits that aren't on the grid that give the beat it's feel. That's just my opinion. I'm sure ppl can find some great examples of techno influenced DnB.
heh, umm in some instances i avoid making stuff that sounds 'smooth'. musically that doesnt really seem like the way to grab someones' attention. although i could be wrong..
perhaps being young and angry interferes with my judgement. 
ABC, yea convolution can impair sound quality.. it took me a long time to learn that lesson.
as far as this track goes.. i think it is important to ride the bass when you listen. and play it loud so you can hear how the bass creates waves in the music.. trying to follow the highs & leads is focusing on the parts of the song i wasnt all that focused on. improper as that is, i did point out in the title that this was an experimental track.
“We tend to forget that happiness doesn't come as a result of getting something we don't have, but rather of recognizing and appreciating what we do have." - Frederick Keonig
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Kylo
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 12:57 PM
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This crosses my threshold for drum&bass. It's got a fast 16th note variation... the bass is there- the techno 'dig-a-da, dig-a-da' is there... This is cool to jam out with a strobe light or possibly thrash an old computer PC to.
I think you're after a texture in your track. There's mainly a good groove rythm, but the progression doesn't exist for a while until about 1:30 ish then BAM! there it is. I do like the bass drum licks.
This track sounds like you're hunting for a way to 'bring out' your progression.
You got it in ya. I can tell.
And the snare stuff sounds alright to me too. Maybe the reason people hear it differently has to do with the flams and triplets too close er somethin?
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hellscion
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 1:08 PM
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i think most musicians in general look for what they would do in a track.. and when you do something that they wouldnt.. it conflicts, naturally. Genres dont help either, especially with this song. i posted it as drum & bass here and noise on another forum. Here everyone is saying it sounds more like techno and on the IDM forum everyone is saying it sounds like drum & bass. at any rate, the only person to give me a solid judgement was subtronik.. who said it sounded amateur. 
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Kylo
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RE: a new song..
Wednesday, August 6, 2008 at 1:14 PM
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Ah yes- so you're presented with a choice:
Which people to accept feedback from? Find artists' music that you like- listen to what they have to say.
Sometimes artists you don't dig have great value for reviews as well. They're the ones that can tell you how to broaden your over-all people-grabbing abilities.
Edit: Let's leave Bobby Conn out of the equation though.
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