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Kylo
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Location: San Francisco
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Saturday, January 12, 2008 at 11:01 AM
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I heard about this: http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/01/12/will-the-tata-nano-car-reach-the-us-or-europe/
From my room mate. It's supposedly 2,000 dollars, and gets you from point A to B with motorcycle-like gas mileage.
I think that is f-ing awesome. I really hope our country changes the frequency of consumption- I'm very impressed by all of our ability to go to the moon or mars, but at the same time I am ashamed at how dependant the whole fossil fuel thing has gotten to be.
I have a car yes, but it's a sipper and I never drive it unless I'm moving a couch for my room mates.
I trade off running to work and bicycling- day by day... People think I'm insane to do that but San Fran is so small it's rediculous if you have to get around with nothing but a car. Even in a city with less room and more pedestrians, the dependancy for internal combustion engines is around 9 out of ten people in my eyes.
I hate waiting for my economy to change; I think I'll see myself down the road working for alternative energy. It's always been my passion thus far really.
"Energizer bunny arrested- charged with battery."
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Tecknixia
Joined: 08/15/01
Location: Denver, CO
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Monday, January 28, 2008 at 1:12 PM
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Cool, I found an environmentally friendly vehicle modding site:
http://www.ecomodder.com
... and I found an interesting article while browsing the forum:
Israel plans electric car network - Published: January 20 2008 23:17
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4ba47e38-c795-11dc-a0b4-0000779fd2ac.html
From the article: Israel will set out plans on Monday to cut drastically its dependence on oil imports, with a private-sector initiative for a nationwide electric car network.
The privately funded plan to build 500,000 recharging points and battery-swap stations for electric cars in the next 18 months has the backing of the government and president, Shimon Peres. Renault and Nissan will develop an electric car with a range of more than 100 miles to be mass-produced from 2011.
Mr Peres told the Financial Times the plan would cut Israel’s oil imports by half within a few years, and Israel could cut the remainder by building solar energy generating plants. “In one decade, we will not need oil.”
Click the link above to read more.
Also, I found on www.sciam.com:
"It's not easy being green in the U.S.
That's according to a new report that scored 149 nations for environmental quality based on greenhouse emissions, air pollution, sanitation and more than a dozen other factors. The U.S. landed at the bottom of the Group of Eight industrialized countries and 39th overall, a dip from its 28th place in the 2006 rankings (which put less weight on greenhouse emissions). Nations topping the list: Switzerland, Sweden, Norway and Finland, followed by Austria, France, Latvia, Costa Rica, Colombia and New Zealand. Yale and Columbia University researchers have issued the rankings, released this week at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, four times since 2002. (Yale Environmental Performance Index; The New York Times)"
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Subtronik
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Sunday, March 9, 2008 at 7:31 AM
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Looks like global warming went on holiday: Where Did Global Warming Go?
Just more evidence that no one really knows what's happening to the planet.
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Tecknixia
Joined: 08/15/01
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Sunday, March 9, 2008 at 10:55 AM
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Yeah, everybody's saying something different. Here are some more articles that express different views.
Changes In Solar Brightness Too Weak To Explain Global Warming
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/09/060914095559.htm
Despite Fox News and Rush Limbaugh, we are not experiencing Global Cooling
http://science-community.sciam.com/blog-entry/Sciam-Observations/Despite-Fox-News-Rush-Limbaugh/300010070
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(((stereofect)))
Joined: 09/02/01
Location: Ontario, Canada
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Tuesday, March 11, 2008 at 6:31 AM
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Well... latest reports in these parts has the myth makers trying a different approach. Since the climate change "we're all gonna boil and then drown" approach has fallen on deaf ears (and the press has stopped writing about it) they're now saying the health effects will be more harmful than the weather effects.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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flickfan82x
Joined: 03/07/08
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Friday, March 14, 2008 at 11:51 AM
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yeah i thought the film was a bit off
-Liz
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(((stereofect)))
Joined: 09/02/01
Location: Ontario, Canada
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Monday, March 17, 2008 at 6:51 AM
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From Impacts to Adaptation: Canada in a Changing Climate 2007
Very interesting, albiet long, read about how Canada sees itself and how climate change will affect environmental resources via a regional assesment. This was put together by the Ministry of Natural Resources and not by any specific environmental group. It's pretty much hit the internet with very little fanfair. The media haven't picked up on it, as yet, and the environmental groups are being very mum about it too. I suspect its becuase, in a nut shell, it shows how climate change (aka global warming) can actually be beneficial to a country such as Canada. i.e. longer growing seasons, milder winters, that sort of thing. Certainly there are pros and cons to this whole global warming thing, but the point here is that some aspects can, and will be, for the good, and for the most part will outweigh any argument for spending money needlessly on environmental issues that have yet to be proven conclusively.
More food for thought I say.....
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
Joined: 01/14/03
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Monday, March 17, 2008 at 5:20 PM
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Algore said the debate is over, shuddup already 
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(((stereofect)))
Joined: 09/02/01
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Monday, March 17, 2008 at 6:18 PM
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“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Fourier
Joined: 08/13/01
Location: Florida, USA
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Friday, May 9, 2008 at 7:12 AM
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(((stereofect))) wrote:The documentary "The Great Global Warming Swindle" exposes numerous lies and myths presented as fact by those who believe in the unproven hypothesis (Al Gore in the USA and David Suzuki in Canada) that human-created carbon dioxide (CO2) is the driver of the Earth's warming climate.
Expert after expert in this film blasts craters into the theory that CO2 -- which only makes up 0.054% of the earth's atmosphere -- has ever driven climate. Ice core records, in fact, prove the opposite, that CO2 lags warming by as much as 800 years.
The scientific claims in this film are actually pretty easy to debunk for anyone with some background in the relevant science (eg. me!) - this always seems to be the case on the "skeptical" side.
Quote:Plus...
"Volcanoes produce more CO2 every year than all human activity."
How's that for an inconvenient truth.....
This one for instance simply isn't true - volcanic CO2 amounts to less than 1% of anthropogenic emissions.
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(((stereofect)))
Joined: 09/02/01
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Friday, May 9, 2008 at 9:12 AM
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Fourier wrote:The scientific claims in this film are actually pretty easy to debunk for anyone with some background in the relevant science (eg. me!) - this always seems to be the case on the "skeptical" side.
Oh, absolutely. I agree completely. But a lot has changed since any and all of the docs that came out when the two mentioned here did. There has been some serious attitude adjustments occuring. And despite us already knowing what was merely regurgitated and spoon feed back to us we know a lot more now than we did then. I know I do.
What I have taken away from this film, as well as others before and since, is that the effect humans are having on this planet, mixed with the natural rhythms of nature, is causing too much negative change too fast. And the positive changes that need to happen in order to prevent more destruction and extiction are either ignored completely, aren't in place or can't be decided on.
All I know is if we continue along our current path, bickering as usual the way humans are want to do, we'll all end up standing together, holding hands, looking towards the dawn of a new day, wearing our environmental suits, breathing bottled air and wondering what the fuck happend.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
Joined: 01/14/03
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Saturday, November 1, 2008 at 10:43 AM
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Record low temps:
it's cold 1
it's cold 2
So are we headed for an iceage or global warming?
Common sense tells me if global warming were a reality it would be getting hotter, not colder.
I don't buy the reasoning of 'it'll be colder, or level off for the next tens years' theory either. These alarmists are just covering their asses.
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(((stereofect)))
Joined: 09/02/01
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Saturday, November 1, 2008 at 9:01 PM
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That's why the pundits stopped calling it "global warming" and now refer to it as "climate change". It's directly related the ol' can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit syndrome...
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
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RE: Debunking Global Warming Myths
Saturday, November 1, 2008 at 9:14 PM
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(((stereofect))) wrote:can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit
I like that
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