swerve tweeter
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Wednesday, October 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM
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Does anyone know of these Background Music -- Baby SafariTM Language CDs that are being advertised on the net, it features myself and several other artistserver artists.
[url]www.akilo.com/main-1_000024.htm
If this is what it seems the producers of the CD could have asked us to put our music on these cd's, Anyone know anything about this?
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Language cd's with artistserver composers
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 at 2:16 PM
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>>>Does anyone know of these Background Music -- Baby SafariTM Language CDs
haven't seen it until now - quite strange
>>If this is what it seems the producers of the CD could have asked us to put our music on these cd's,
Yes, people should always make an effort to communicate with the artists, but they aren't required to in some cases. It would depend on what music license was assigned to the songs in question.
I have a song on there under a different artist name, it's music license would allow for this use. Which includes:
* Share - to copy, distribute and transmit the work
* to Remix - to adapt the work
* Attribution - You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
Possibly you have similar license settings selected, and didn't realize this allowed for reuse of your music. You can always edit your song in the My Account area, and update your license settings. For full restriction, select 'copyright.'
For me, I'll add the 'non-commercial' setting to my licenses, as I don't want people or companies selling my music.
If you wish to be removed from that site/CD, you'll need to contact them and request they not use your music. Here is their domain registry information, which has a contact phone, address and email (bottom of page): http://whois.domaintools.com/akilo.com. They're located in California.
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swerve tweeter
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Language cd's with artistserver composers on it...
Wednesday, October 22, 2008 at 2:43 PM
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Im not quite sure how i feel about this, on the one hand its very flattering, but on the other hand they could be potentially making money from our music. I was aware that id put no copyright on the "baptism of a liar" tune that theyve used. I used that level of copyright because some of the samples in that song were stock and i didnt want to get into trouble for copyright myself.
It seems very strange to me though that they would use quite an upfront dance/electronica tune to back an infants language cd, there's something not quite right here!
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Danny K
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Yes, people should always make an effort to communicate with the artists, but they aren't required to in some cases. It would depend on what music license was assigned to the songs in question.
This is the reason I would never let a my music go out on a license like this. People should but don't have to and therefore, as the artist, you have absolutely no control over this whatsoever - which to me would be a great concern. As far as I can see this guy has done nothing wrong but should be paying mechanicals on every cd pressed. I shouldn't imagine he will make an attempt to however.
Its all karma though - its not like you made an effort to inform the people who's samples you used.
Its worth covering this base - register your music with a collecting society!! Last.fm are paying royalties now so it is well worth doing whatever level of the industry you feel you are in. Silence between the words made me nearly $50k in 2006/2007 and if I hadn't registered it with the PRS I wouldn't have made a bean.
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Subtronik
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RE: Language cd's with artistserver composers on i
Thursday, October 23, 2008 at 6:21 PM
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Music should be free.
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Danny K
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Thursday, October 23, 2008 at 7:56 PM
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yours should be....
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(((stereofect)))
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RE: cd's with artistserver composers on it...
Friday, October 24, 2008 at 5:28 AM
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Via Boing-Boing:
Bound by Law?: Tales from the Public Domain, New Expanded Edition
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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Subtronik
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Friday, October 24, 2008 at 7:39 AM
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Danny K wrote:yours should be....
It is and always will be.
Yours will be too by the look of things.
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swerve tweeter
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Friday, October 24, 2008 at 9:33 AM
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Amateur music as mine is, should be free i agree, but im not all together comfortable with some professional firm using my and other artists music to make profit for themselves, this is totally wrong. They are charging $19.50 per cd, id have liked to have been asked, surely thats not too hard is it? Im going to mail them and ask what the crack is, as this music was meant to be enjoyed for free for anyone to listen too, and not for blatant profiteering. GGGRRRRRRR...... 
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Subtronik
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Friday, October 24, 2008 at 9:41 AM
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I agree, people trying to make money off of stolen goods are scum, like musicians trying to sell their music made with pirated audio software.
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swerve tweeter
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RE:Language cd's with artistserver composers on
Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 12:45 AM
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Subtronik wrote:I agree, people trying to make money off of stolen goods are scum, like musicians trying to sell their music made with pirated audio software.
Hmmm pirated audio software is a totally different kettle of fish i think, of course ultimately its wrong but im sure companies would'nt have such a piracy issue if those programs were a little cheaper. Its the same with any kind of piracy - Games, Music and films being prime examples of overcharging, and thusly piracy runs riot.
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Danny K
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Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 3:40 AM
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Don't get me wrong - you can download every track I've ever done at K-Records and all it will cost you is bandwidth.
Quote:Amateur music as mine is, should be free
Why? Why not let people download it for pleasure but if they want to use it commercially issue a license that prohibits this until the whole matter has been discussed. And what about issues aside from cash - what if these guys had used it on a Nazi Whale-hunting promotion? Under that license you wouldn't be able to stop them. I thinks that is what would really concern me.
I wish music were free too - but no more than I do food, travel, water and communication. Sadly that just isn't the way of things. I don't see what is wrong with making money from what you do - and I uphold that having music as your profession is one of the nobler arts and nothing to be ashamed of.
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swerve tweeter
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Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 6:25 AM
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I have certainly learnt a lesson from this and will no longer be using public domain copyright for any of my tunes. As for making money from music, sure if you do it professionally then obviously you get paid, however for sites like artistserver its more about the community and the music, with a liberal dose of respect between artists.
If your good enough to make music for a living then more power to you, but there are millions of musicians out there like myself who enjoy making music but know deep down its not quite good enough to be charged for. So we soldier on, content with the appraisal we sometimes get. 
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Subtronik
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RE: Language cd's with artistserver composers on i
Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 7:14 AM
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I believe that once an artist is forced by deadlines to produce something that should flow naturally, the art suffers, eventually becoming flat and lifeless.
Mass produced art? Seems like an oxymoron to me.
I've been told many times I should sell my music. But I'm not concerned about the money or fame that can come from big music sales. I make music because I love it. I love sound. It helps me relax and focus my mind.
Thing is I'm all about capitalism, just not in art. Art is the tangible expression of the human soul, money isn't. Tipping may be the way in the end though.
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Kylo
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Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 2:13 PM
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Quote:I've been told many times I should sell my music. But I'm not concerned about the money or fame that can come from big music sales. I make music because I love it. I love sound. It helps me relax and focus my mind.
Wealth varies from person to person- some need a little more capitalism to reach those needs; which shouldn't affect the quality as long as they keep their mind clear of bitches & hoes... etc.
For me, I'm happy with a bag of chips knowing people are digging my existence in this day and age...
Although it is also cool to be able to buy things with the product of your talent. 
This reminds me of Mo' Money:
"Energizer bunny arrested- charged with battery."
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Subtronik
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RE: Language cd's with artistserver composers on i
Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 2:34 PM
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Aww, "video no longer available"...
Fact is it's just my personal opinion about art and money. I would never bash people for trying to make money off of their art.
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Kylo
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Saturday, October 25, 2008 at 2:40 PM
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I fixed it...
Wait... no I didn't... 
I give up for now.
No bashing is evident!
"Energizer bunny arrested- charged with battery."
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(((stereofect)))
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Sunday, October 26, 2008 at 12:01 AM
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I doubt that the revenue generated (if there is any) from these so-called language CDs will be much. In fact I'm willing to wager it will be either neutral or negative anyways so I doubt there's much to worry about. In fact I'm willing to bet that the only sales they get are from family, friends, a few colleagues and the occasional 'drive-by' surfers anyways.
Of course the point here is that no notification was given to the individuals whose music has been chosen for these CDs. And by all appearances no compensation provided. No doubt that's a shitty way to do business, but when you take into consideration their distribution process (i.e. the WWW) I think the only thing that's going to be damaged here is ego.
Of course the big problem here is that professional courtesy has been disregarded, either intentionally or through ignorance, to the point where the optics involved are not good.
This situation, and the individuals involved are not unlike those who take that box of "FREE" goodies you put out at the curb and then sell at their own yard sale.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” Albert Einstein
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