Subtronik
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 at 8:45 PM
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Bah, the whole shoutcast thing is ruined now... oh well.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Wednesday, July 16, 2008 at 9:06 PM
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BTW Jack - your email address is incorrect in your account it seems - as msgs are bouncing. click on My Account above - edit your account - then you should get msg.
for now - click on "My Messages" above - should see it when signed in.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 3:03 PM
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my oh my... what a communication break down.
jeez i was angry and spent a day getting more upset and in the end sound like a chump.
I forgot my main rule - treat others how you want to be treated. Much better rule than, "getting on people's cases because they think or feel something about your past"
so sorry everyone - I completely screwed up. 
sorry Jack - I should have put my admin hat on instead of my Gideon hat.
Subtronik - please let things rest
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Danny K
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Thursday, July 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM
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Quote:my oh my... what a communication break down.
jeez i was angry and spent a day getting more upset and in the end sound like a chump.
I forgot my main rule - treat others how you want to be treated. Much better rule than, "getting on people's cases because they think or feel something about your past"
so sorry everyone - I completely screwed up.
sorry Jack - I should have put my admin hat on instead of my Gideon hat.
Subtronik - please let things rest
s'cool dude - i was getting angry too so I bailed. we all make mistakes right?  thanks for apologising - hopefully you can now see that everyone from time to time says stuff that they just either don't mean, or say in the heat of the moment. As to the exact ins and outs of everything - I smoke far too much weed to accurately remember! All I know is I do regret the hurt I caused - and I regret that Escene isn't alive anymore. But as a peace offering i've stuck a new track up i did called The Other Side. Hopefully the other side being something we can explore together eh?
Anyway - back to the thread....
Quote:Streaming on demand would be setting up the single song streams to play through Shoutcast on demand - as a user clicks. I'd want to use it without any playlists, like how AS streams - the playlist doesn't exist, it's generated by the request.
No - shoutcast doesn't support this though there could be a way that you could dynamically create a playlist and then (in php at least) get the station to reboot itself thus relaunching it via shell commands. I know that webmasters get nervous about user-generated shell commands however. Its hardly a bullet-proof way to run a site.
The way I run it is to have a folder of mp3's that basically just runs randomly - though I can create playlists via the GUI i made. Its not something I have really done much in the 2 years it has been running though.
Personally I think the best application as far as AS is concerned would be to ask users if they would like to have their uploaded mp3s included in the AS Shoutcast stream. It would then be fairly straightforward query to create a new playlist which would take effect every time the shoutcast server was rebooted. There is even a command to reset the playlist on the fly.
Shoutcasts main functionality of course is as a live broadcaster which as a mac user isn't something i've ever done much of as it requires winamp and the winamp shoutcast plugin which is a pc program of course.
So in answer to your question - everything is feasible with a bit of imagination. As a user I would personally just like to hit a button that gave me a stream of all the music on AS played at random. What server is AS on these days just out of interest?
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Friday, July 18, 2008 at 8:39 AM
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>>> hopefully you can now see that everyone from time to time says stuff that they just either don't mean, or say in the heat of the moment.
indeed man - the train derailed, but we avoided the crash 
>>> But as a peace offering i've stuck a new track up i did called The Other Side.
dloaded - will give it a spin later today when I can pay attention. I'll be out of the office today at an appoint. Thank you for uploading - I hope it expands into some of the classics.
>> then (in php at least) get the station to reboot itself thus relaunching it via shell commands
how very odd that it requires rebooting - it gives me the feeling that it's quite low level code. I'm quite surprised they didn't evolve this. Having server apps pull in configs. on the fly is fairly standard unless it's a major setting.
>> The way I run it is to have a folder of mp3's that basically just runs randomly
yeah - that's what I recall when I set it up for testing. AS has a design feature which allows for distribution of media to different folders, drives and servers, so I can scale out that way if needed (although a big cluster w/ a load balancer is the way to go). I also don't store the files with their file names - everything is named by the ID: 32545.mp3 - so the only way to serve the files is via the Web application which sets the names on the fly when requested. This allows ppl to update the file names if they want.
>> Personally I think the best application as far as AS is concerned would be to ask users if they would like to have their uploaded mp3s included in the AS Shoutcast stream.
While it would be a nice addition - I'm seeing two issues with doing this. The first, is monetizing - I can't add more expenses that can't be monetized. It's quite difficult to turn a Web Radio station into dollars to cover the costs. We currently don't even pull in enough to cover the current expenses. The second issue, would be quality control - I think stations work best when someone considers the songs and feel of the station. Too much variation in quality and genre, and you start to loose people.
>>> As a user I would personally just like to hit a button that gave me a stream of all the music on AS played at random
I can code that up - I'll post back once it's in place.
>>What server is AS on these days just out of interest?
All servers on Win 2000 or 2005, using IIS and ColdFusion 7. We run on 3 servers and a shared hosting account:
1 Web App Server
1 Database Server
1 Photos and Logs/Tracking Server
1 shared hosting account for the forums
We're running out of storage though - so it's time to buy a new 10 or 15k RPM scsi drive - which isn't cheap. I'm also evaluating Amazon.com's Web Solutions for storing and serving our mp3s, but I'll have to redevelop parts of the app to make that work.
ok now I have to crank out some work for clients. Thanks Jack.
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Friday, July 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM
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>>>As a user I would personally just like to hit a button that gave me a stream of all the music on AS played at random
I just realized, I already put something together that is close to this:
http://www.ArtistJukebox.com - random selection, just no playlist
I then put this together:
http://www.ArtistJukebox.com/beta/ - which makes a popup window with a flash player and a means to load playlists, artists, etc.
so I just need to blend the two now
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Subtronik
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Friday, July 18, 2008 at 3:32 PM
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I'd like to have artistjukebox send the random playlist to winamp. Is that possible?
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Sonic Wallpaper
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Friday, July 18, 2008 at 4:13 PM
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30 minutes later... your wish is my command!
http://www.artistjukebox.com/myplayer
that will create a random playlist of 25 songs and your mp3 player should load it up just fine
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Subtronik
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RE: Shoutcast Radio Tutorial
Friday, July 18, 2008 at 4:24 PM
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Now that is cool, and exactly what I've been waiting for. Thanks a lot Gid.
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